HMS AGAMEMNON 1781 from scratch - scale 1/75

[AllanKP69]

James Lee is not helpfull for construction details.

Hi William,
Not sure what you are referring to, the masts, the tops, something else. The information from David Steel is probably the most worthwhile unless there are drawings for Agamemnon specifically.

While not appropriate for Agamemnon necessarily the 1719 Establishment pages at RMG give a lot of details that may be helpful for anyone interested for earlier vessels. It has informaation on the tops, trestle trees, masts, etc.

Couple pages as an example follows.




There are a number of high resolution drawings of masts and yards on the Wiki Commons site and hundreds in low resolution on the RMG Collections site.

 

[William1961]

Hi all,
Here some pictures of the standing rigging. Still some ratlines to do

 

[dockattner]

Congratulations on this milestone along the way.

 

[GrantTyler]

Hi all,
Here some pictures of the standing rigging. Still some ratlines to do

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Good morning. What a majestic model. Cheers Grant

 

[William1961]

Standing rigging first level is now completed for 95 %. I didn't count the knots but i'm not sad it is over. Next step : building the top masts and some yards.

 

[AllanKP69]

The construction of the lower masts is fantastic!

This came up on another Agamemnon build earlier. According to James Lees in The Masting and Rigging of English Ships of War, after about 1775 if there was a swifter like on the Agamemnon main mast only every sixth ratline extended to the swifter. It is great to see you started the lower six rows of ratlines starting on the second shroud for the first six rows as was done on the actual ships at that time. Nicely done. I have no idea why they did this and would love to find an answer. I thought it might have to do with the forward most shroud being served the entire length, but then there would be none tied to it, so I am at a loss on this. Beautiful model William!
Allan

 

[dockattner]

Very nice, William. An impressive effort!

 

[iutar]

Dear William! Do you know how to dye thread? If so, paint the rigging lanyards black.
Your stays are done correctly: the lanyards are black. But the lanyards on your shrouds are white, which is a mistake.
The fact is that on ships, after the standing rigging was finally tensioned, it was completely coated with tar. If these rigging elements weren't tarred, they would rot.
That's why the lanyards were always the same color as the shrouds and stays. Yours should be black.

 

[William1961]

Dear William! Do you know how to dye thread? If so, paint the rigging lanyards black.
Your stays are done correctly: the lanyards are black. But the lanyards on your shrouds are white, which is a mistake.
The fact is that on ships, after the standing rigging was finally tensioned, it was completely coated with tar. If these rigging elements weren't tarred, they would rot.
That's why the lanyards were always the same color as the shrouds and stays. Yours should be black.

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Thank Iutar, for the information and pictures.
I know about risk of rot but did they never retight the schrouds during ship lifetime ? I gess yes. When lanyards are coated, this will be not possible..
Anyway I will think about how to dye the thread and make some tests. I do not want to take any risk of damaging the aesthetics.

 

[William1961]

Hammock netting on poop deck
My method :
1) attach the hammock cranes on a separate plank,
2) attach the 2 ropes (0,5 mm)
3) attach the net with thread and needle,
4) placement on the balustrade secured by small drop of glue.
In this case the net is a plastic mosquito net 1,5 x 1,5 mm mesh and painted.

 

[iutar]

I know about risk of rot but did they never retight the schrouds during ship lifetime ? I gess yes. When lanyards are coated, this will be not possible.

What does "entire service life" have to do with this? According to English regulations, all rigging was thoroughly overhauled once a year. In most cases, worn-out rigging was dismantled for scrap. If standing rigging needed tightening, lard and heavy-duty tackles were used. If the deadeye lanyards became worn, it was replaced with a new one. This was easy and simple, and presented no difficulties. Lanyards were replaced using mast hoists.

In the photo. The shrouds were tensioned using mast and topmast hoists. They were so powerful that even lard wasn't required!

 

[iutar]

Anyway I will think about how to dye the thread and make some tests. I do not want to take any risk of damaging the aesthetics.

I just said that you can't use photos of the 2008 Victory as a basis for arguments, and now you're showing exactly that!



William, look for photos of the Victory at sea. All the rigging there is tarred without fail. It's not even up for debate, it's the law!

Between 2000 and 2008, museum engineers deliberately loosened all the rigging because the ship was in catastrophic disrepair. These photographs (2000-2008) are not evidence!











Dear William! Until the second half of the 19th century, cotton and cotton-blend threads were not used in the English navy. All rigging was made of hemp. Hemp was brown and greenish-brown in color. Hemp bleached with bleach was dark gray. Therefore, bed nets ("Hammock netting") could not be white.