HMS Alert [1777] 1:48 POF by serikoff. (Two hulls: skeleton and fully rigged)

[serikoff]

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Thanks for the photo. I found some of those on the internet too. I guess I didn't express myself correctly. I was more interested in the outfit depicted on the statue. He has a cape there, what color could it be? I forgot to specify that. But thanks anyway.

 

[kidsgalore]

No worries only one I've found is this cape but obviously Nelson not wearing it. May help you sir

 

[serikoff]

Hello everyone. I have a question for experts! Where can I find freely available books or drawings on an English cutter (like Aleart). I am interested in the rigging and its attachment to the hull. Because in Goodwin's anatomy according to Aleart, some nodes are well described, but others are completely missed. There is no information where all the running rigging goes. There is no diagram like in other anatomies. And I see that many do as they assume, but I (who understands rigging quite well) understand that many make mistakes. Below is a diagram of the rigging fastening on the Diana ship from her anatomy. A similar diagram is also available on Victory. But not on Aleart. And whoever thinks that the diagram can be borrowed from other ships, this is not so. On cuttter, it is quite different. If anyone knows where the issue can be resolved, I will be glad for help.

 

[Jimsky]

Greetings fellow.

Here is the book you are looking for. Alert is the single mast rigging and should be identical to most Cutter rigging.

The Naval Cutter Alert (Anatomy of the Ship)​

by Peter Goodwin

 

[serikoff]

Greetings fellow.

Here is the book you are looking for. Alert is the single mast rigging and should be identical to most Cutter rigging.

The Naval Cutter Alert (Anatomy of the Ship)​

by Peter Goodwin

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I know this book by heart. Maybe I wrote it wrong in the question, but I'll try to clarify it again. Goodwin did not indicate the scheme of fastening the rigging to the hull in this book. The knots of the beginning of the rigging (masts and yards) are described perfectly, but the places of their fixation on the hull are not indicated, as an example of the picture that I posted above.

 

[Jimsky]

I know this book by heart. Maybe I wrote it wrong in the question, but I'll try to clarify it again. Goodwin did not indicate the scheme of fastening the rigging to the hull in this book. The knots of the beginning of the rigging (masts and yards) are described perfectly, but the places of their fixation on the hull are not indicated, as an example of the picture that I posted above.

Got it! The book you are looking for is RiggingPeriod Fore and Ast Craft by Lennarth Petersson





The book's first chapter discussed The British Naval Cutter (including the belaying pin plan).

 

[serikoff]

Got it! The book you are looking for is RiggingPeriod Fore and Ast Craft by Lennarth Petersson

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The book's first chapter discussed The British Naval Cutter (including the belaying pin plan).

Thank you very much for your help. Now I just need to find this book in electronic form)))) I already have one (photo below), but it is in the image of a 3-masted ship. And what you advised should help, I really hope so. Thanks again.

 

[Jimsky]

Now I just need to find this book in electronic form))))

I believe the book was published in the electronic form of Kindle, and you can get it from Amazon (inexpensive)

https://www.amazon.com/Rigging-Period-Fore-Aft-Craft-ebook/dp/B00SGC4XES?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=

 

[serikoff]

I believe the book was published in the electronic form of Kindle, and you can get it from Amazon (inexpensive)

https://www.amazon.com/Rigging-Period-Fore-Aft-Craft-ebook/dp/B00SGC4XES?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=

Thank you very much. This book is exactly what I was looking for.



And I understood that there is no bar with pins in Goodwin's anatomy. And it is very strange that he did not indicate them not only on the plans, but also on the drawings in all angles... very strange.

 

[AnobiumPunctatum]

Be careful with the Petterson. It shows the bowsprit on the wrong side of the stem. I have not found any contemporary drawing which shows the bowsprit on the starboard side.

 

[Dubz Modelling World]

I second Christian, the book also shows the "newer" Rig and not the "older", special one of the Alert with spread yard and else (the attached images the only ones I found showing this "older" rig in contemporary sources.














You may also check my Sherbourne build with the rig as it almost should be for the Alert:

British Cutter Sherbourne 1763 - 1:64 - Almost scratch

All the older buildpics can be seen here: https://picasaweb.google.com/11221460152...directlink Edit: I could restore a bit via Google Cache, I will edit here the next days: After a three year buildin

forum.dubz-modelling-world.com

cheers Dirk

 

[serikoff]

Be careful with the Petterson. It shows the bowsprit on the wrong side of the stem. I have not found any contemporary drawing which shows the bowsprit on the starboard side.

Thanks for the warning, but the bowsprit position is not the worst thing. There are many omissions in Goodwin's anatomy and more than that. There is a question below.

I second Christian, the book also shows the "newer" Rig and not the "older", special one of the Alert with spread yard and else (the attached images the only ones I found showing this "older" rig in contemporary sources.

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You may also check my Sherbourne build with the rig as it almost should be for the Alert:

British Cutter Sherbourne 1763 - 1:64 - Almost scratch

All the older buildpics can be seen here: https://picasaweb.google.com/11221460152...directlink Edit: I could restore a bit via Google Cache, I will edit here the next days: After a three year buildin

forum.dubz-modelling-world.com

cheers Dirk

Thanks for the pictures and the link to the review, it will be very helpful. And I have a couple of questions, I will write below.

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QUESTION FOR THE EXPERTS.

It has already been established that there is an omission in Goodwin's anatomy regarding the scheme of fastening the rigging to the hull.

Green arrows indicate what is in anatomy, and red ones indicate what is not, and it is very strange how it was possible not to indicate this.

The second point. Anatomy does not have this:

This image from the book is the rigging device of the Petterson cutter. And it is not logical that this rigging is not in the anatomy and many make the model without it. Naturally, this may be a simplification. There is a central yard lifter, and there are braces, perhaps this is enough for a cutter, but this is very doubtful. Moreover, in this book there are lifters. What do you think, should they be there or not?

The third point is this one.

Similarly, in anatomy there is what is shown in green, but not what is circled in red. This is also missing in Petterson's book (cutter). I took the picture from a book about the device of the rigging (Petterson) but, on a ship with three masts. Logically, what is indicated by the red arrows should be there. The fact that it is with a blue question mark is not a fact, maybe it was removed for simplification.

Another question about the same place. I see that everyone does it differently. But neither in Goodwin's anatomy nor in Petterson's book (cutter) are these rigging stations indicated. I took them from the book, as well as the upper picture from the book of the same Petterson but about three-masted ships.


Again, there are lifters and a holder at the bottom, but should there be gear that would prevent lateral displacement?

Well, the last gear that is on three-masted ships. And should they be on a cutter? Or were they simplified and were not on cutter?




It is a pity that the information differs and there is no single standard for certain types of ships. Or is there? ))))

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