HMS Diana by Caldercraft

Does anyone have information based on contemporary sources rather than the modern version of Victory that gun ports had glass sashes? I cannot find any contemporary text, plans, or models that indicate this was ever done prior to Seppings' designs starting in 1813 and even then it may only have been added after the ships were laid up. It makes sense that the captain and senior officer quarters might have these, but I cannot find any evidence that this was actually done. Even the Seppings designed Unicorn 1824 that still exists in Scotland had these added only after the ship was hulked.
Thanks
Allan
 
iutar said:
Making one side this way and the other side another is unsightly and will look stupid.Thumbsdown
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Personally, I'm not buying what this gentleman is selling. If doing each side differently creates interest or invites conversation, then I would not hesitate.

You are obviously open to hearing what others think - and that's great for historic accuracy (research) and the like. But when it comes to artistic matters I would trust your own instincts and build what makes you happy.
 
I launched the question(s) because on the plan three gun hatches are closed. The kit provides the necessary gun hatches etc... That aroused my interest. Why?
On the other hand, it is not illogical that windows would be placed, after all, the officers' cabins used to be there and I assume that some light would be allowed in.
I find the feedback very interesting and can learn a lot from the gentlemen...
I also paid +- 800 Euro for the kit and I would expect the plans to be clear and historically correct. The plans are NOT correct in terms of dimensions and I doubt the correctness (historically).
Measuring is knowing.
 
HMSFly said:
After all, that's how it was before and in case of a fight the windows were removed
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I have always thought that the windows currently in some of HMS Victory's gunports are only there because she's a museum. They allow a little light into some of the smaller and perhaps claustrophobic spaces such as the lower gundeck and the bow where the visitors must exit. It's perhaps unwise to take her (now) as a reference for Diana (then).
 
iutar said:
Making one side this way and the other side another is unsightly and will look stupid.
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I politely disagree with this opinion. :D

What's wrong with asymmetry? If it adds interest, and you like it - go for it.

(But see my doubts about the existence of glass windows in the eighteenth century)
 
Smithy said:
What's wrong with asymmetry?
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There are things that cannot be "halfway". We can't be half pregnant. We cannot remove half of the bulkheads for battle and prepare the guns, and leave the other half of the bulkheads in the stowed position. I don't argue, everyone does as they want. But why do something absurd?

Smithy said:
But see my doubts about the existence of glass windows in the eighteenth century
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Glass windows appeared in the seventies of the seventeenth century.
 
Installation of the LEDs completed, attached to the beams via eyelets.
The Breech lines attached to all 28 Guns. The Breech lines of the rear three Guns are made extra long so that the GUNS can still slide in (in case I place windows or not).

I find it an interesting discussion. Of course I will wait until there is 100% clarity. Moreover, it is anything but easy to make those windows. I have already put together a draft but that was really not easy....

Cheers

Marc

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"Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World"
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Dear friend! Have you seen this film? If you want, take a look. There, at the beginning of the film, the ship is being prepared for battle. In particular, it is shown how bulkheads are dismantled, charges are supplied, and guns are prepared. Shown with great respect to the source. Very interesting.
 
iutar said:
Have you seen this film?
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I would love to chat with Gordon Laco over lunch or dinner and discuss the film with him to find out more about the research his company did for the full size sets as well as the models they used when filming on dry sets in New Zealand. That kind of thing could be a fun consulting gig. As of last month there still is no director for the prequel. Hope the film eventually comes out.
Allan
 
iutar said:
"Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World"
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Dear friend! Have you seen this film? If you want, take a look. There, at the beginning of the film, the ship is being prepared for battle. In particular, it is shown how bulkheads are dismantled, charges are supplied, and guns are prepared. Shown with great respect to the source. Very interesting.
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Dear iutar.... I think 5 times ! :)
 
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... To be continued.

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