HMS ENTERPRISE 1774 by RichardJJS 1:48 scale. New Kit from M.D

[GIG1810]

That looks really great... wow!!

 

[TRS7139]

Well, finished well top, tricky., second one, mostly because it took some head scratching to mill posts on correct sides to fit slats.
Directions show door on side, I have other refrences showing it front / back, so that’s what I followed.
Only dry fit to insure spacing between decks, now back to finish everything on lower deck and 2-3 coats of finish.
On gun deck, nice to have sheets for carlings……able to cut clean notches before installing them.
So far, while there have been challenges and the need to scratch a few pieces, this has been a rewarding project.
While still quite a ways off, hopefully Victor will update on availability of friezes.
Tim

 

[richardjjs]

Unfortunately, Richard, yes, it's you, they're not on the plan, they don't exist.
You take the sheets supplied, you get the strip stock and square stock and scratch build them using the sheets as template. The PDF letters only correspond to what bulkhead on the sheet locates where. Take a hard look at the individual sheets and it becomes fairly intuitive as to how constructed using what material.This is why you have plenty of strip/squar stock on sheets.Take particular care locating platforms for and aft. Plans show you where as to EXACT beam they locate, as well as compartments. Fail on this and all will interfere with hanging knees when installing beams. Here, the instructions are fine ......I had zero interference with knees
Sheets, be forewarned, are not exact especially as to height and the bulkheads that span the hull. You need to take measurements and build accordingly.
Lower doors, also, scratch built from strip, as is upper/lower well.

It quite categorically says the the Letters on the instructions are on the PLANS and they ARNT
As I built the bulkhead it is quite obvious where they go

As you say the Platforms need to bein exactly the right place so I am not fixing them until i start fixing the Janging Knees

Really looking forward to that
Will feel as though i am getting somewhere

 

[TRS7139]

The individual sheets pretty much ID the individual sections and it's not particularly tough to figure out what locates where.

 

[richardjjs]

The individual sheets pretty much ID the individual sections and it's not particularly tough to figure out what locates where.

Its the lack of consistency with this KIT
It quite categorically says There are no Numbers on the PLAN
It would make it easier But yes once build they only go in one place

 

[AllanKP69]

As you say the Platforms need to bein exactly the right place so I am not fixing them until i start fixing the Janging Knees

Are you speaking of using hanging knees for the platforms? This may not apply to Enterprise but the reason I ask is that from Goodwin, there is no room for hanging knees this low in the hold so there would be vertical knees that rose above the decking rather than hanging down.
Allan

 

[richardjjs]

Are you speaking of using hanging knees for the platforms? This may not apply to Enterprise but the reason I ask is that from Goodwin, there is no room for hanging knees this low in the hold so there would be vertical knees that rose above the decking rather than hanging down.
Allan

yes i remember that from Victory THANKS Have you done yours that way

 

[TRS7139]

Are you speaking of using hanging knees for the platforms? This may not apply to Enterprise but the reason I ask is that from Goodwin, there is no room for hanging knees this low in the hold so there would be vertical knees that rose above the decking rather than hanging down.
Allan

No Allen, the need for proper spacing is to insure bulkheads that extend to frames/deck beams are mounted without interference of hanging knees supporting lower deck beams that drop well below tops of partitions. 3/4 hang down, last few aft rise above.

Tim

 

[richardjjs]

No Allen, the need for proper spacing is to insure bulkheads that extend to frames/deck beams are mounted without interference of hanging knees supporting lower deck beams that drop well below tops of partitions. 3/4 hang down, last few aft rise above.

Tim

so i presume if they can hang hang them
Otherwise they Support from above
Is this correct
On the Partworks lancaster that was released 15 years ago similar hangers supported the ammo rack to the rear Turret EXCEPT the front one so the ammo Case could fit under neath (This was wrong on model )
Just a bit of useless info!

 

[richardjjs]

I have started the lower platform doors THey look great
But i wish id fitted them before i assembled the partitions
Decided against 3D print as I can get the colour of the filament right
Cant beleive how all the little errors show up

 

[richardjjs]

Another Damn stupid question
Is the frame a Moulding please

 

[AllanKP69]

Is the frame a Moulding please

Ii looks like a coaming for a grating. The name is sort of deceptive as it is made of two head ledges that run athwartships and are connected to the coamings which are the fore and aft pieces.

 

[AllanKP69]

the need for proper spacing is to insure bulkheads that extend to frames/deck beams are mounted without interference of hanging knees supporting lower deck beams that drop well below tops of partitions. 3/4 hang down, last few aft rise above.

Thanks Tim. The below the description in the contract for the decks and the platforms. While it describes hanging knees for the upper deck, standards and hanging knees for the lower deck, it does not address any type of vertical knee for the platforms. Does this mean we can conclude there are no knees of any kind on the platforms? I have no idea, but it is a possibility.
Allan


PLATFORMS To have afore and after Platform. Height from plank to plank on the fore platform 6 ft 2ins The fore platform to be laid with 3 ins oak plank & the after platform with 1 ½ in ordinary deal The Beams to be sided 8 ½ ins moulded 7 ½ ins, the fore and after one inch less each way, and the flat provided with Carlings & Ledges of oak on the fore Platform & fir on the after Platform of the same scantlings &c the Lower deck

LOWER DECK KNEES Lower dk beams in the midship (& so far forward & aft as hanging knees of a kindly growth to be of service can be got) to be kneed with one hanging & one lodging knee at each end, the hanging Knees to be sided 7¼ ins, the up & down arm 4 ft 6 ins long, thwartships Arms 3 ft 8 ins, bolted with 7 bolts of one inch diar; The throat Bolt & next below it, to be placed as high as may be, & all carefully forelocked; & to those beams afore & abaft that hanging knees cannot be procured for them, to be kneed at each end with 2 lodging knees where length between the beams will admit, & in short rooms one lodging knee, & at this part of the Ship to have additional Standards placed on the deck to answer for the strength lost for want of hanging knees.

UPPER DECK HANGING KNEES: The upper deck beams to be kneed at each end with one hanging & one lodging knee, the hanging knee sided 7¼ ins, the up & down arm to reach 6 ins on the spirketting, the other to be 3 ft 3 ins long, bolted with 7 bolts (except the fore & after knees where their lengths may not admit) in each of 1ins diar, the throat bolts & the next below them, to be placed as high as may be.

 

[TRS7139]

Thanks Tim. The below the description in the contract for the decks and the platforms. While it describes hanging knees for the upper deck, standards and hanging knees for the lower deck, it does not address any type of vertical knee for the platforms. Does this mean we can conclude there are no knees of any kind on the platforms? I have no idea, but it is a possibility.
Allan


PLATFORMS To have afore and after Platform. Height from plank to plank on the fore platform 6 ft 2ins The fore platform to be laid with 3 ins oak plank & the after platform with 1 ½ in ordinary deal The Beams to be sided 8 ½ ins moulded 7 ½ ins, the fore and after one inch less each way, and the flat provided with Carlings & Ledges of oak on the fore Platform & fir on the after Platform of the same scantlings &c the Lower deck

LOWER DECK KNEES Lower dk beams in the midship (& so far forward & aft as hanging knees of a kindly growth to be of service can be got) to be kneed with one hanging & one lodging knee at each end, the hanging Knees to be sided 7¼ ins, the up & down arm 4 ft 6 ins long, thwartships Arms 3 ft 8 ins, bolted with 7 bolts of one inch diar; The throat Bolt & next below it, to be placed as high as may be, & all carefully forelocked; & to those beams afore & abaft that hanging knees cannot be procured for them, to be kneed at each end with 2 lodging knees where length between the beams will admit, & in short rooms one lodging knee, & at this part of the Ship to have additional Standards placed on the deck to answer for the strength lost for want of hanging knees.

UPPER DECK HANGING KNEES: The upper deck beams to be kneed at each end with one hanging & one lodging knee, the hanging knee sided 7¼ ins, the up & down arm to reach 6 ins on the spirketting, the other to be 3 ft 3 ins long, bolted with 7 bolts (except the fore & after knees where their lengths may not admit) in each of 1ins diar, the throat bolts & the next below them, to be placed as high as may be.

No knees for platforms, simply locate side to side on deck beams/frames via lateral beams of platforms.