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HMS ENTERPRISE 1774 by RichardJJS 1:48 scale. New Kit from M.D

Well, finished well top, tricky., second one, mostly because it took some head scratching to mill posts on correct sides to fit slats.
Directions show door on side, I have other refrences showing it front / back, so that’s what I followed.
Only dry fit to insure spacing between decks, now back to finish everything on lower deck and 2-3 coats of finish.
On gun deck, nice to have sheets for carlings……able to cut clean notches before installing them.
So far, while there have been challenges and the need to scratch a few pieces, this has been a rewarding project.
While still quite a ways off, hopefully Victor will update on availability of friezes.
Tim
 
TRS7139 said:
Unfortunately, Richard, yes, it's you, they're not on the plan, they don't exist.
You take the sheets supplied, you get the strip stock and square stock and scratch build them using the sheets as template. The PDF letters only correspond to what bulkhead on the sheet locates where. Take a hard look at the individual sheets and it becomes fairly intuitive as to how constructed using what material.This is why you have plenty of strip/squar stock on sheets.Take particular care locating platforms for and aft. Plans show you where as to EXACT beam they locate, as well as compartments. Fail on this and all will interfere with hanging knees when installing beams. Here, the instructions are fine ......I had zero interference with knees
Sheets, be forewarned, are not exact especially as to height and the bulkheads that span the hull. You need to take measurements and build accordingly.
Lower doors, also, scratch built from strip, as is upper/lower well.
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It quite categorically says the the Letters on the instructions are on the PLANS and they ARNT
As I built the bulkhead it is quite obvious where they go

As you say the Platforms need to bein exactly the right place so I am not fixing them until i start fixing the Janging Knees

Really looking forward to that
Will feel as though i am getting somewhere
 
TRS7139 said:
The individual sheets pretty much ID the individual sections and it's not particularly tough to figure out what locates where.
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Its the lack of consistency with this KIT
It quite categorically says There are no Numbers on the PLAN
It would make it easier But yes once build they only go in one place

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richardjjs said:
As you say the Platforms need to bein exactly the right place so I am not fixing them until i start fixing the Janging Knees
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Are you speaking of using hanging knees for the platforms? This may not apply to Enterprise but the reason I ask is that from Goodwin, there is no room for hanging knees this low in the hold so there would be vertical knees that rose above the decking rather than hanging down.
Allan
 
AllanKP69 said:
Are you speaking of using hanging knees for the platforms? This may not apply to Enterprise but the reason I ask is that from Goodwin, there is no room for hanging knees this low in the hold so there would be vertical knees that rose above the decking rather than hanging down.
Allan
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yes i remember that from Victory THANKS Have you done yours that way
 
AllanKP69 said:
Are you speaking of using hanging knees for the platforms? This may not apply to Enterprise but the reason I ask is that from Goodwin, there is no room for hanging knees this low in the hold so there would be vertical knees that rose above the decking rather than hanging down.
Allan
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No Allen, the need for proper spacing is to insure bulkheads that extend to frames/deck beams are mounted without interference of hanging knees supporting lower deck beams that drop well below tops of partitions. 3/4 hang down, last few aft rise above.

Tim
 
TRS7139 said:
No Allen, the need for proper spacing is to insure bulkheads that extend to frames/deck beams are mounted without interference of hanging knees supporting lower deck beams that drop well below tops of partitions. 3/4 hang down, last few aft rise above.

Tim
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so i presume if they can hang hang them
Otherwise they Support from above
Is this correct
On the Partworks lancaster that was released 15 years ago similar hangers supported the ammo rack to the rear Turret EXCEPT the front one so the ammo Case could fit under neath (This was wrong on model )
Just a bit of useless info!
 
TRS7139 said:
the need for proper spacing is to insure bulkheads that extend to frames/deck beams are mounted without interference of hanging knees supporting lower deck beams that drop well below tops of partitions. 3/4 hang down, last few aft rise above.
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Thanks Tim. The below the description in the contract for the decks and the platforms. While it describes hanging knees for the upper deck, standards and hanging knees for the lower deck, it does not address any type of vertical knee for the platforms. Does this mean we can conclude there are no knees of any kind on the platforms? I have no idea, but it is a possibility.
Allan


PLATFORMS To have afore and after Platform. Height from plank to plank on the fore platform 6 ft 2ins The fore platform to be laid with 3 ins oak plank & the after platform with 1 ½ in ordinary deal The Beams to be sided 8 ½ ins moulded 7 ½ ins, the fore and after one inch less each way, and the flat provided with Carlings & Ledges of oak on the fore Platform & fir on the after Platform of the same scantlings &c the Lower deck

LOWER DECK KNEES Lower dk beams in the midship (& so far forward & aft as hanging knees of a kindly growth to be of service can be got) to be kneed with one hanging & one lodging knee at each end, the hanging Knees to be sided 7¼ ins, the up & down arm 4 ft 6 ins long, thwartships Arms 3 ft 8 ins, bolted with 7 bolts of one inch diar; The throat Bolt & next below it, to be placed as high as may be, & all carefully forelocked; & to those beams afore & abaft that hanging knees cannot be procured for them, to be kneed at each end with 2 lodging knees where length between the beams will admit, & in short rooms one lodging knee, & at this part of the Ship to have additional Standards placed on the deck to answer for the strength lost for want of hanging knees.

UPPER DECK HANGING KNEES: The upper deck beams to be kneed at each end with one hanging & one lodging knee, the hanging knee sided 7¼ ins, the up & down arm to reach 6 ins on the spirketting, the other to be 3 ft 3 ins long, bolted with 7 bolts (except the fore & after knees where their lengths may not admit) in each of 1ins diar, the throat bolts & the next below them, to be placed as high as may be.
 
AllanKP69 said:
Thanks Tim. The below the description in the contract for the decks and the platforms. While it describes hanging knees for the upper deck, standards and hanging knees for the lower deck, it does not address any type of vertical knee for the platforms. Does this mean we can conclude there are no knees of any kind on the platforms? I have no idea, but it is a possibility.
Allan


PLATFORMS To have afore and after Platform. Height from plank to plank on the fore platform 6 ft 2ins The fore platform to be laid with 3 ins oak plank & the after platform with 1 ½ in ordinary deal The Beams to be sided 8 ½ ins moulded 7 ½ ins, the fore and after one inch less each way, and the flat provided with Carlings & Ledges of oak on the fore Platform & fir on the after Platform of the same scantlings &c the Lower deck

LOWER DECK KNEES Lower dk beams in the midship (& so far forward & aft as hanging knees of a kindly growth to be of service can be got) to be kneed with one hanging & one lodging knee at each end, the hanging Knees to be sided 7¼ ins, the up & down arm 4 ft 6 ins long, thwartships Arms 3 ft 8 ins, bolted with 7 bolts of one inch diar; The throat Bolt & next below it, to be placed as high as may be, & all carefully forelocked; & to those beams afore & abaft that hanging knees cannot be procured for them, to be kneed at each end with 2 lodging knees where length between the beams will admit, & in short rooms one lodging knee, & at this part of the Ship to have additional Standards placed on the deck to answer for the strength lost for want of hanging knees.

UPPER DECK HANGING KNEES: The upper deck beams to be kneed at each end with one hanging & one lodging knee, the hanging knee sided 7¼ ins, the up & down arm to reach 6 ins on the spirketting, the other to be 3 ft 3 ins long, bolted with 7 bolts (except the fore & after knees where their lengths may not admit) in each of 1ins diar, the throat bolts & the next below them, to be placed as high as may be.
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No knees for platforms, simply locate side to side on deck beams/frames via lateral beams of platforms.
 
TRS7139 said:
simple coaming for hatch on platform.....made mine from 3x3 strip as with all lower deck coamings. Not strictly correct via morticed joinery but.....there it is.
As stated this kit does not follow contract as to EXACT construction.
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but i wish they would show simple illustations rather than What it should be like
 
Got another PLEASE
Fore and Main have cut outs for the Bottom of Masts (If we decide to go ahead ) have slots for the Masts
ie 3 pieces with a slot in middle
I can only find 2 pieces for Mizzen is this correct

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FWIW, some of us find your questions and concerns enlightening rather than exhausting. :) :) While MD appears to be one of the top, if not THE top quality kit maker, there may sometimes be things that need to be clarified.

Apologies for bringing it up again but the sizes of the mast steps are all in the contract and the locations on the contemporary drawing ZAZ3383. https://www.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/rmgc-object-83174

MIZEN STEP ….. The Mizen Step to be sided 14 ½ ins, of sufficient Depth on the Keelson, The Arms 5ft 6ins long each, & bolted with 6 bolts of 1 ⅛ diar.
MAIN STEP ….. The main Step to be sided 1 ft 11 ins and 15 ins deep on the Keelson and of a length to slide easy by the Stantions of the Well.
FORE STEP ….. The Fore Step to be sided 1 ft 9 ins, in Length 10 ft 6 ins, bolted 6 bolts of 1 ⅛ dia'r

Allan
 
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