HMS GRANADO - full hull - POF kit by CAF in 1:48 - by Uwe

[Dubz Modelling World]

Hi Uwe,

the inner walls of the covers are afaik not correct. On my cross section I had to remove them later as the mortar does not fit. Also AOTS is not showing the walls there.



Great build so far!!

Dirk

 

[Dubz Modelling World]

And, sorry, another one, the side walls of the covers should not have the front wood on top, because of moisture, optimal would be a connection like AOTS shows, in between "better" would be if the deck planks cover the side walls.



I hope I am not too picky It's just respect for this great build
Dirk

 

[Signet]

In one of the books I was reading something about the procedures which were necessary that such a mortar is ready for a bombing.
Defintely it was not a fast activity in a hurry!
In order to place the ship at the correct location for firing the bombs they had to install the anchors at a correct place - minimum two or maybe up to four anchors had to be placed. This will take already some hours of work.

Maybe this was done more slowly to give the chance for the city to be bombarded to surrender. It would be quite intimidating seeing a number of bomb vessels setting up to send "death from above".

Than the mortars - these covers were heavy and I am not sure that the seamen were able to lift them by hand - they are 2m *2m -> I calculated appr. 0,35 m³ wood - when the cover was made by oak it would weigh appr. 200kg - with some nails plus iron rings let us talk about 250kg


So I guess they had to handle these covers by lifting tackles with their spars.

I'm sure that is the case. At least one Granado model was portrayed this way:


But then our masts are a bit short for that. A "sky hook" perhaps?

 

[Uwek]

Hi Uwe,

the inner walls of the covers are afaik not correct. On my cross section I had to remove them later as the mortar does not fit. Also AOTS is not showing the walls there.

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Great build so far!!

Dirk

Hallo Dirk,
many thanks for the comment refering the wall of the cover

but ....

1) on the model cover you need something to keep the form of the roof-cover so a second wall is helpfull
2) also the real cover needed something in which the nails of the cover roof boards were nailed - otherwise there would be no riggid structure
=> I am pretty sure that here Goodwin did not make his drawing correct - from pure technical point of view there was something necessary like this one



On my photos in my post I showed a still unfinished status, I removed the height slightly, just as so much like necessary to fit over the installed mortar

On my own section model you can see, that I moved the wall more to the inside, so that it is not visible



On this actual model I will see how I make it final

 

[Uwek]

And, sorry, another one, the side walls of the covers should not have the front wood on top, because of moisture, optimal would be a connection like AOTS shows, in between "better" would be if the deck planks cover the side walls.

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I hope I am not too picky It's just respect for this great build
Dirk

Here also I am pretty sure that Goodwin was wrong with this sketch

to keep water away the only way would be to move the sliding notch (red) to the outer edge - > only with this the mortar bed would be covered really



I found the contemporary drawing where the Goodwin solution is shown





but from technical point of view this has a lot of negative impacts

several drawings and sketches are showing it different




and also all available contemporary models are showing the covers and the sliding bulkhead different







also the well known model

 

[Uwek]

Maybe this was done more slowly to give the chance for the city to be bombarded to surrender. It would be quite intimidating seeing a number of bomb vessels setting up to send "death from above".

I'm sure that is the case. At least one Granado model was portrayed this way:
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But then our masts are a bit short for that. A "sky hook" perhaps?

This is a great idea with the szene of lifting the cover - it is looking like a Jotika / Caldercraft model of the Granado - am I correct?

 

[Signet]

This is a great idea with the szene of lifting the cover - it is looking like a Jotika / Caldercraft model of the Granado - am I correct?

That is correct. Which has masts, spars and rigging, so easy to do on that model.

 

[Uwek]

some more small progress on the covers



and the bulkhead frames









Next work will be some paint and the necessary eyebolts ...... many thanks for your interest in my log

 

[Signet]

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[pingu57]

Great work Uwe, by the looks of your lids and their bulkhead frames, the sailors had quite some work before they could aim and fire

 

[Signet]

Great work Uwe, by the looks of your lids and their bulkhead frames, the sailors had quite some work before they could aim and fire

Not to mention that they probably had to fill a tender vessel with all the pieces they removed!

 

[pingu57]

Not to mention that they probably had to fill a tender vessel with all the pieces they removed!

Yes, i assume those removed parts have to go below deck?

 

[Signet]

Yes, i assume those removed parts have to go below deck?

I doubt there would be room below deck. Certainly not for the large sliding covers. Yet they would severely limit mobility if stored on deck. I think they would be transferred a tender vessel prior to bombardment, as was a lot of other items, back and forth.

 

[Signet]

I doubt there would be room below deck. Certainly not for the large sliding covers. Yet they would severely limit mobility if stored on deck. I think they would be transferred a tender vessel prior to bombardment, as was a lot of other items, back and forth.

That does, however, create a problem on how best to display the model. The covers, even if slid back, tend to obscure mortar detail, the inner sliding structure prevents the mortar from moving, etc. It's a shame not to show these cover structure details, yet also a shame not to show the mortars ready to use.

 

[Keef]

What about having one mortar in the firing position, say the bigger 13 inch and the other with the hatches half open to reveal the mortar in it's ''rest'' position?

 

[Signet]

What about having one mortar in the firing position, say the bigger 13 inch and the other with the hatches half open to reveal the mortar in it's ''rest'' position?

I was thinking about something similar.

 

[pingu57]

That does, however, create a problem on how best to display the model. The covers, even if slid back, tend to obscure mortar detail, the inner sliding structure prevents the mortar from moving, etc. It's a shame not to show these cover structure details, yet also a shame not to show the mortars ready to use.

I assume Uwe has already given this some thougts, but a combination of one mortar completely ready, and the other one partly slid open might be nice to show, and the removed parts in a tender vessel next to the ship might make it a complete display.

I doubt there would be room below deck. Certainly not for the large sliding covers. Yet they would severely limit mobility if stored on deck. I think they would be transferred a tender vessel prior to bombardment, as was a lot of other items, back and forth.

I see your point now, but that also has to be quite a large vessel to store those items in, i think

 

[Don Case]

Possibly they just threw them over the side. They should float.

 

[Corsair]

Its really very simple! Uwe will need to build a tender vessel to go along side of the Granado in the same cabinet.
He could show the covers being transferred from one vessel to the other.

 

[Uwek]

Hallo my friends,
Many thanks for all your interest and the nice and interesting comments made.
all the parts will be removable and changeable, so an arrangement like mentioned by @Keef will be possible and I guess would be interesting to see

A little bit like shown on the arrangement of the Leightley model - > the photographer of the museum model also changed the mortar arrangement between the photos

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