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HMS Victory Mantua 1:78 (first build) by Grant Tyler

Thanks guys. I will respond individually, however some advice from guys in the know would be appreciated.

@Daniel20 , @dockattner , @Alexander74 @Walterone, @Heinrich @Thomas Marocke @ANYBODY.

Question:

Should I prepare the stays from the Mainmast to the foremast, the foremast backstays and the foremast preventer stays before I tension the shrouds or is this overkill? Grants logic (which when boat building is sketchy at best) says the one forestay and shrouds is enough?

Cheers Grant
Hey Grant. If this is still relevant, then first you need to tighten the shrouds, and then the stays. And you are doing the right thing on the fore mast, that you began to pull the shrouds from the stern to the bow.
 
Thank you Grant! I am recovering from getting Covid, I still have Bronchitis, but getting better day by day. No modeling lately for me, but soon. Been playing a lot of guitar lately though! ;)
Your learning has progressed quickly on this ship, and your results show knowledge and skill! Keep up the great work!
Good morning Dean. Ahh that is “kak” my friend. I’m glad you are on the way to recovery and we must all remember this wicked Virus is still out there. Thanks for the compliment. Learning all the time:D.Cheers Grant.
 
Hey Grant. If this is still relevant, then first you need to tighten the shrouds, and then the stays. And you are doing the right thing on the fore mast, that you began to pull the shrouds from the stern to the bow.
Good morning Sasha. Thank you. I am about to start this so I am glad I decided to read your post first. I was going to do a little of the shrouds and stays simultaneously. Between yours and Paul (x2) @dockattner and @paulv1958 advice I should hopefully get this reasonable. Cheers Grant
 
Hi Grant!

As Sasha has already written, the assembly of the standing rigging begins with the shrouds. Here you must pay attention to an even tension of the shrouds on the port and starboard side (pull and counter pull) without bending the mast backwards. It's just a matter of feeling that each shroud has the same tension. Also, I would not glue any safety knots yet, so that the the shrouds can be tensioned a little more later - the backstays followat the very end, through whose slight tension the shrouds may lose some tension.

After the shrouds, the stays and preventer-stays are mounted. Here, too, care must be taken to ensure that the stays and preventer-stays are pulled evenly so that they are parallellel.

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In many Victory photos, the stays can be seen sagging slightly due to its considerable weight.

The art of an attractive looking rigging is basically to realize the tension of the different ropes with tension and counter tension in a sensitive way. Too much tension can bend the masts. You couldn't play a guitar on any rope.

Your will and skill for this demanding task is there.

Thomas
 
Hi Grant!

As Sasha has already written, the assembly of the standing rigging begins with the shrouds. Here you must pay attention to an even tension of the shrouds on the port and starboard side (pull and counter pull) without bending the mast backwards. It's just a matter of feeling that each shroud has the same tension. Also, I would not glue any safety knots yet, so that the the shrouds can be tensioned a little more later - the backstays followat the very end, through whose slight tension the shrouds may lose some tension.

After the shrouds, the stays and preventer-stays are mounted. Here, too, care must be taken to ensure that the stays and preventer-stays are pulled evenly so that they are parallellel.

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In many Victory photos, the stays can be seen sagging slightly due to its considerable weight.

The art of an attractive looking rigging is basically to realize the tension of the different ropes with tension and counter tension in a sensitive way. Too much tension can bend the masts. You couldn't play a guitar on any rope.

Your will and skill for this demanding task is there.

Thomas
Good morning Thomas. Thank you. This is informative and of great assistance. I have tensioned all now ( not tied off as you suggest) and it looks good. Cheers Grant.
 
Good morning. The foremast shrouds are tied off:

Upper shrouds :
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Lower shrouds :
Starboard-
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Port side- (not quite linear but good)
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Futtock shrouds -
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Mainstay and preventer. The main stay is 1.2mm and preventer smaller at 1mm.
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All line up nicely and the tension (I hope;)) is good. Some pics (These taken while WIP so some lines are not tied off).
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Something I am going to have to get 100% is the yard alignment. The “skew” main yard (still to be aligned with topping lifts) just annoys me. No pressure GrantROTF.

Cheers Grant
 
WOW Grant! That is just magnificent work. The tied-off upper and lower shrouds look a million dollar and to coin your own phrase here - you absolutely owned it. From the front your rigging looks so clean and symmetrical that it is a feast for the eyes. Don't worry about the yard alignment - that will be perfect when you do the final alignment - I am positive of that!
 
Good morning. The foremast shrouds are tied off:

Upper shrouds :
View attachment 325131View attachment 325132

Lower shrouds :
Starboard-
View attachment 325133
Port side- (not quite linear but good)
View attachment 325134

Futtock shrouds -
View attachment 325135
Mainstay and preventer. The main stay is 1.2mm and preventer smaller at 1mm.
View attachment 325136View attachment 325137
All line up nicely and the tension (I hope;)) is good. Some pics (These taken while WIP so some lines are not tied off).
View attachment 325138View attachment 325139View attachment 325140View attachment 325141

Something I am going to have to get 100% is the yard alignment. The “skew” main yard (still to be aligned with topping lifts) just annoys me. No pressure GrantROTF.

Cheers Grant
Hi Grant, WOW I just marvel at the precision of your work. You have real eye candy here. I love your jig for lining up the dead eyes and the tension looks to spot on.

By the way, in the eight picture down from the top, the handrail in your living area is way out of level based on the ship's mainsail yard. ROTF
 
Grant, there is not many words to describe how impressive your work is. Thank you for sharing with us and I can't wait to see more!!!
 
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