Just Awesome Paul!
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- classic Paul….and as for your new avatar .Well Good morning Paul. I have been waiting for these posts and I am floored. The hours of work and sanding has paid significant returns. I am always impressed how even your WIP is so neat. Over the years there has been plenty banter about your perfectionism….well I guess we all wish we had a tad more of it. You are owning this. Cheers Grant
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You definitly don‘t need a kit anymore. This looks great and your pictures are a big help for others - including me
looking wonderful - very good work
That's a nice compliment Jeff (I assume that WAS a compliment
). But it brings up an interesting notion...are we capable of outbuilding the originals? I know lots of modelers like to 'age' their models - but that is a different question. What I mean is: if a bolt or nail is off by 10 mm on the real ship should we model that? Or does 10 mm off in real life translate to: as perfect as we can get it at 1:48 scale (that is, would the 10 mm disappear in the scale correction). Maarten has long argued that we try to be too perfect...and having seen the innards of the Batavia firsthand myself (thanks for that @Maarten) I can tell you that in real life on a 17th Dutch ship there were LOTS of irregularities.
Anyway, this vapid post is not directed at you Jeff...just got me thinking out loud...
Thank you, Daniel. Yes, symmetry has been pursued, but she is an elusive temptress...Now this is a good update showing great progress Paul. The boxwood sands out so very nice and what really impresses me is the symmetry you are maintaining between the left and right members. That cannot be easy. Hey BTW I understand the potential new avatar
I agree with both of you gentlemen. The boxwood holds great promise as the finish approaches ivory or bone - but what a battle to get there! I think in the future I'll stick to pearwood for framing and boxwood for detailing...Beautiful work Paul! Hardwood can kill blades and sandpaper with a single swipe!
I am sure your perseverance will prevail. We know you by now!
Ps - Daniel is correct, it will sand and cut very sharp and clean. You probably know this already, but that is why it is preferred for carving and turning.
Of course, the pearwood will still be a challenge - but in my limited experience it is easier to get her to lift her skirt than the boxwood (let's see what the administrators do with that post
).
You are far too kind Christian. I'm rather concerned with the fact that I have been making 'decisions' about the shape of the bow (and now, as of yesterday, the stern) without the necessary experience. I'm hoping the kit design is somehow guiding me...
Thanks for the likes everyone! I feel encouraged to press on...
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You sound like a man possessed...
But after three weeks in the zone, it sure looks like an immaculate sanding job to me!
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Wife and children are temporary, models are eternal
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Although possibly true, it's still a very dangerous statement to make anywhere near said relatives...Wife and children are temporary, models are eternal
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Well... I feel sorry for relatives who can't joke with each other
I have always said perfection is not realism! Yet we strive for it in model building, which is a bit odd considering that we are trying to make a realistic representation of our models.That's a nice compliment Jeff (I assume that WAS a compliment
Maarten has long argued that we try to be too perfect...and having seen the innards of the Batavia firsthand myself (thanks for that @Maarten) I can tell you that in real life on a 17th Dutch ship there were LOTS of irregularities.
Anyway, this vapid post is not directed at you Jeff...just got me thinking out loud...
Hi Paul,That's a nice compliment Jeff (I assume that WAS a compliment
Maarten has long argued that we try to be too perfect...and having seen the innards of the Batavia firsthand myself (thanks for that @Maarten) I can tell you that in real life on a 17th Dutch ship there were LOTS of irregularities.
Anyway, this vapid post is not directed at you Jeff...just got me thinking out loud...
Haha, yes you are right. I will keep preaching if you are at looking at 17th century originals other factors then symmetry are leading, these ships were not fully designed and engineered. Materials available are leading. If there is a knot in the wood at a specific spot a bolt will be placed somewhere else.
In shell first builds treenails in floor planks are drilled first through the floor frame and then the planks by hand, location and number of treenails are different at every connection.
Placement of bolts is a little more precise as these are used in critical spots, keel, stem, stern knees etc.
A 17th century hand drill for drilling long holes for bolts is not a piece of precission machinery so keeping a drill perfect in line over a 1 mtr long hole will be nearly impossible.
See below my stern post bolts, certainly not perfect in line.
And on a 17th century original pinas wreck.
As said before by a famous philosopher.
Let it go ..... let it go.
Super brilliant, Paul - no disappointments, here!
Work has commenced on the aft cant frames. Here is what it looks like without any fairing and out of the building jig:
The transition from the cant frames to the square frames (two have been placed) is rather disconcerting. But the square frames are comically thick, so I trust everything is OK.
From the front:
It certainly looks like the square frames are sitting too far down, but the notch that sits on the deadwood has not been filed down at all so it must be right (?).
From the stern:
Next post in a few minutes...
The transition from the cant frames to the square frames (two have been placed) is rather disconcerting. But the square frames are comically thick, so I trust everything is OK.
From the front:
It certainly looks like the square frames are sitting too far down, but the notch that sits on the deadwood has not been filed down at all so it must be right (?).
From the stern:
Next post in a few minutes...
And now after preliminary shaping with a rotary tool...
The Kattner Sanding Center:
I have become increasingly frustrated by my (lack of) success gluing frames. You may recall that I dropped a bunch of frames earlier in the build and many of them broke (in some cases at the glue joint).
Since then, I am constantly repairing cant frames that are breaking off of the deadwood and at the top of the frames where they are joined with little filler pieces. I used Titebond and it is either old glue (Amazon) or the wrong product. It dries very brittle and I am now using a different PVA to make repairs. I would call it a learning experience but I'm not sure what I'm learning...
This a holiday weekend in the US when we remember those who have served in the military: freedom isn't free. Thank you to those who served so I can sit in my backyard and not have to worry about anything more concerning than glue...
The Kattner Sanding Center:
I have become increasingly frustrated by my (lack of) success gluing frames. You may recall that I dropped a bunch of frames earlier in the build and many of them broke (in some cases at the glue joint).
Since then, I am constantly repairing cant frames that are breaking off of the deadwood and at the top of the frames where they are joined with little filler pieces. I used Titebond and it is either old glue (Amazon) or the wrong product. It dries very brittle and I am now using a different PVA to make repairs. I would call it a learning experience but I'm not sure what I'm learning...
This a holiday weekend in the US when we remember those who have served in the military: freedom isn't free. Thank you to those who served so I can sit in my backyard and not have to worry about anything more concerning than glue...
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