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La Créole 1827 by archjofo - Scale 1/48 - French corvette

@Peter Voogt
@Herman

Hello,
I would like to thank you very much for your interest and kind contributions.
And of course, many thanks to everyone else for the likes.

Hello colleagues,
I've tried to summarize the information I gathered some time ago about the brace routing for my French corvette in a diagram for further rigging work.
If you're interested, please zoom in!
I hope you'll forgive me for only labeling it in German.
But the pictures will explain it to some extent.
Brassen_LaCreole.jpg
 
@serikoff
Thanks for your feedback and thanks to everyone else for the LIKES.

Continued: Fore yard – Bowlines / Boulines
Since I don't equip my corvette with sails, the question inevitably arose as to how the bowlines are attached. Originally, I intended to simply tie the bowlines around the yard, like on the original Paris model, without bridles. Since I was naturally interested in how bridles work, the next question arose: What happens to the bowline bridles when the sails are taken down?
I found the answer to this question in K. Schrage's book – Rundhölzer, Tauwerk und Segel – on page 144. There, you can see an illustration of how the bridle legs are attached to the yard with timber hitches when the sails are taken down.

buliensprut_schrage.jpg
Source: K. Schrage – Rundhölzer, Tauwerk und Segel – p. 144

Since I find this arrangement very logical, I decided to show it this way for my model. Regarding the number of bridle shanks, I'm guided by the monograph, as diverse variations can be found in relevant contemporary illustrations.
I intend to implement the bowline bridles as in the original, using real eye splices. The bowline bridles in the foreyard had a diameter of 19 mm (1:48: ø 0.35 mm – 2 x 3 Kimono Japanese silk yarn). Splicing the thin ropes is now very easy.
DSC02380.jpg

In order to finally attach the bowline, I still had to tie the guide blocks to the bowsprit, as shown in the next picture.
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I'm also currently working on the correct mooring of the running rigging.

But more on that soon.
To be continued...
 
archjofo said:
@serikoff
Thanks for your feedback and thanks to everyone else for the LIKES.

Continued: Fore yard – Bowlines / Boulines
Since I don't equip my corvette with sails, the question inevitably arose as to how the bowlines are attached. Originally, I intended to simply tie the bowlines around the yard, like on the original Paris model, without bridles. Since I was naturally interested in how bridles work, the next question arose: What happens to the bowline bridles when the sails are taken down?
I found the answer to this question in K. Schrage's book – Rundhölzer, Tauwerk und Segel – on page 144. There, you can see an illustration of how the bridle legs are attached to the yard with timber hitches when the sails are taken down.

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Source: K. Schrage – Rundhölzer, Tauwerk und Segel – p. 144

Since I find this arrangement very logical, I decided to show it this way for my model. Regarding the number of bridle shanks, I'm guided by the monograph, as diverse variations can be found in relevant contemporary illustrations.
I intend to implement the bowline bridles as in the original, using real eye splices. The bowline bridles in the foreyard had a diameter of 19 mm (1:48: ø 0.35 mm – 2 x 3 Kimono Japanese silk yarn). Splicing the thin ropes is now very easy.
View attachment 522402

In order to finally attach the bowline, I still had to tie the guide blocks to the bowsprit, as shown in the next picture.
View attachment 522401

I'm also currently working on the correct mooring of the running rigging.

But more on that soon.
To be continued...
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Stunning detailed rope work, Johann.
Regards, Peter
 
I'm with Russ. Your detail, Johann, is beyond description, but I just can't get past the fact that you're able to eye splice at this scale, let alone the quality of it is better than I've ever seen, at any scale. It is just amazing.
 
@Steef66
@Peter Voogt
@Mirek
@Herman
@RussF
@Hoss6262

Hello,
Thank you very much for the nice comments.
I'm very happy. Thanks also to everyone else for the many likes.

Continuation: Fore yard – Bowlines / Boulines
I've also since read up on the arrangement of the bowline bridles in the contemporary specialist literature "Manuel de Greement" by F. A. Coste from 1829, starting on page 167, and it fits. The only thing is that it refers to thimbles through which the individual rope limbs are threaded.

I also looked again in Marquardt, which also covers the rigging of French ships, although again only up to the end of the 18th century.
If I now incorporate the aforementioned contemporary illustrations from the early 19th century and models from the Paris Museum into my considerations, I come to the conclusion that the bowline bridles on my corvette could well have looked the way I have since attached them to the fore yard.
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I can't clearly verify the attachment of the bowlines without sails for the French, as shown in the K. Schrage's book – Rundhölzer, Tauwerk und Segel – . But I think it's quite realistic that the French did it the same way as the British.

I'm currently building a jig to make rope coils for the belaying pins.
I imagine it might look like this:
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More on that soon...
 
Hey Stephan, thanks. Yes I am subscribed to Andrey's Youtube channel specifically for reference on the Le Fleuron. I will practice, of course, and with larger scale ropes, just not as large as the ropes in the "humorous photo". Thanks!

:);)
 
Hey Archjofo,

wonderful, very nice. Its amazing. Its a dream. I'm looking at your construction report

Cheers
Günther Ship-1
 
@Steef66
@Hoss6262
@GIG1810
@Richie
Hello,
I'm very pleased with your positive and kind comments. Thank you for that and for your interest in my post.
Of course, my thanks also go to everyone for the likes.

Continuation: Fore yard – Leech lines and bunt lines / Cargue-fonds et cargue-boulines
Among other things, I am currently preparing to attach the leech lines and bunt lines to the fore yard. The corresponding blocks are already in place both on the yard and in the form of guide blocks under the fore top.

Since I am rigging my model without sails, these ropes must be secured against slipping from the corresponding blocks. Knots have been tied to the lines for this purpose, as seen on many models, including contemporary ones.
However, what I have also occasionally seen in illustrations of these on models from the Musée de la Marine in Paris are loop-shaped knots, presumably buntline hitches, but could also be bowline knots or similar. The leech lines and bunt lines are then securely attached to the corresponding cringles of the sail using buntline hitches.

Buntline_hitch_ManualofSeaman_1951.jpg
Source: Manual of Seamanship, Vol. 1, 1951

In any case, a knot that can be easily untied when the sails are hoisted back up.
Here, using the example of L'Egyptienne from 1799, the "loops" are clearly visible upon closer inspection.

legyptienne-fregate-de-24-1799aa.jpg
Source: Image detail from the original model of L'Egyptienne 1799 in the Musée de la Marine in Paris

A third way to secure the bunt lines against slipping out of the blocks would be to simply tie the ropes, as can be seen on the original Paris model of La Créole.

Gordings_LaCreole.jpg
Source: Image detail from the original model of La Créole in the Musée de la Marine in Paris

Three possibilities, which naturally raise the question of which one is closest to historical reality?

Therefore, I would be very grateful if you could share your expertise with me.
I look forward to your contributions.
 
Hi Johann, at first I keep looking at your story and the pictures on my tablet. Those pictures were unclear on my tablet. But my first thought was that they tied a knot at the end of the loose rope to prevent it from going through the block and that's how it was secured. After looking more closely at the photos, I saw that solution on the first example of 1799 as well. What seemed logical to me at first was done that way there. I would choose that first way also because in sailing this is often used to prevent a line from shooting out of a block.
On the other hand, I think it would also be easier for riggers not to tie the rope to something, but just tie a knot in it after untying. And then someone can tighten and belay the hoisting part.
My 50 cents..
 
archjofo said:
Hello Stephan,
Thanks for your feedback.
I only have a cheap translator... :D
So I'd like to ask again.
If I understood you correctly, you prefer the solution with the loop-shaped knot, something like a buntline hitch, right?
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Dann übersetze das Stück ins Deutsche, ist auch für mich etwas leichter zu lesen. Übrigens, ein ziemlich guter Übersetzer ist Deepl.com. (Then translate the part to German, is also a little easier for me to read. By the way, a pretty good translator is Deepl.com.)

Hallo Johann, zuerst habe ich deine Geschichte gelesen und mir die Fotos auf meinem Tablet angesehen. Die Bilder waren auf meinem Tablet ziemlich unscharf. Aber mein erster Gedanke nach deinem Text war, dass sie einen Knoten an das Ende des losen Seils gebunden haben, um zu verhindern, dass es durch den Block geht, und so wurde es gesichert. Als ich mir die Fotos genauer ansah, entdeckte ich diese Lösung auch auf der ersten Kopie von 1799. Was mir zunächst logisch erschien, wurde also auch dort so gemacht. Ich würde mich auch für die erste Lösung entscheiden, weil sie im Segelsport häufig verwendet wird, um zu verhindern, dass eine Leine aus einem Block herausschießt.

Andererseits denke ich, dass es für die Takler auch einfacher wäre, die Leine nicht an irgendetwas zu befestigen, sondern nach dem Losbinden einfach einen Knoten in die Leine zu machen. Und dann kann jemand das Tau spannen und festmachen.

Meine 50 Cents.


So yes with a loopshaped knot or just a buntline hitch
 
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