LA SALAMANDRE, bomb ketch - POF - (CAF-models, 1/48)

Hi Don,

the only kit I bought from ZHL was the Le Requin. It was a nice kit but it costs $1100 plus a couple hundred for shipping. The Mayflower kit and the recent Utrecht kit I bought on eBay from the dealer jiangxuezuimei and the shipping was free. I'm still waiting for the Utrecht Pegasus kit to arrive. Chinese New Years delayed shipping it because the factory was closed until yesterday. It' suppose to ship on Wednesday. The Mayflower kit is really decent though, good instructions in the form of drawings showing each step of the construction, parts fit well, laser cut planking.

I'm not familiar with the other kits you mentioned but I do recommend this dealer on eBay. Hope that helps.

Bob
 
donfarr said:
......... I want to get ONE IS THE peter the great X section, and the othe is the LA POOLE only if it has a jig other wise it is a no no, also the LA JACINTH is anoter one it probally is based on the ANCRE MONOGRAPH, so a little help would be appreciated. Don
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Hallo Don,
The instructions are very very poor, so you need definitively some help, f.e. by the ancre drawings and / or some experience and / or some publications describing typical details. The drawings are ok but also not showing everything in detail. A beginner should not start with such a model.
Referring the kits you mentioned: I do not know which models you mean..... maybe you could add here a link where the models are offered.
Do you mean f.e. The La Belle instead of the the La Poule? Boudriot published once the Barque La Belle (there is good kit existing) and also the Fregatte La Belle Poule. The Jacinth is also published by Boudriot / ancre, a beautiful two Mast schooner with a nice line.....I love this ship, but I do not know anything about the kit (I think the kit is prepared in a small scale.
 
The CAFmodel 350C96B0-CC29-4B19-B24C-655FA96036CF.jpegLa Belle kit looks very interesting, not too difficult and very affordable for a POF kit with wood carvings. Here it is compared next to La Salamandre. Very faithful also to the ANCRE plans and at a decent 1/48 scale allows for significant upgrading and enhancement.
 
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ADC said:
The CAFmodel ....... La Belle kit looks very interesting, not too difficult and very affordable for a POF kit with wood carvings. Here it is compared next to La Salamandre. Very faithful also to the ANCRE plans and at a decent 1/48 scale allows for significant upgrading and enhancement.
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A very good comparison...... I think the La Belle is one of the best ships to start with POF models, out of the kit-box or even scratch. Relatively small, relatively clear hull form, limited rigging.....and a very nice ship and the ancre planset is showing her complete. I have the monographie from Boudriot and every Euro worth....
 
A little bit Off Topic (but it is allowed) I want to show for inspiration a beautiful built of the La Belle of a very good friend and mentor of mine, Zeljko Skomersic from Croatia......I made the photos 10 years ago in his workshop. This ship is very good model to scratch built (or kit built).....Sorry for the bad quality of the photos.
Model is scale 1:48, built from scratch in Swiss Pear, based on the drawings from Jean Boudriot. I think he won a golden medal at the Naviga-competition with this model.

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A small Status Report, this time without photo..... 32 frames are done, Slow progress, but still makes a lot of fun, although it is in meantime somehow routine......I will keep you informed
 
Many thanks for the likes and the nice words about the log...... I will keep you informed

Last week I had holiday and I thought, that I could work more intensive on the ship, but it comes different than expected.
Our youngest daughter went sick (nothing serious, but...), so I was a nurse during the day and could work only 1 or 2 hours at night.
Nevertheless I made some more frames, so there are only a small number open to be made.

Here a photo of the pack of the frames.....frames 1 to 41 finished

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In the last days I was thinking about how to sand the total number of frames to the correct shape.
I am think about buying a oscillating spindle sander, also as investment for the future for other models, and not only for this model, but if I buy, than now....

Maybe you could give me some hints, how you do it and with which equipment
 
To make only frames can be boring, especially if you make only this parts of the model.
So today I put a new sharp blade in my X-acto and cutted out the elements of the keel, keelson etc..
No real cleaning, but only for fun to make something different

In the following you can see some photos of the elements, laid on top of a plancopy.
Some are realy very fragile and breakable....but they are looking good and the parts are very accurate prepared yomparing with the drawings.
In moment it is not clear for me, how to clean the parts from the laser char .......

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Good work Uwek. I use a Dremel battery drill, the 10.8 volt version with sanding bands to grind the ribs. Works well but I got covered in lots of dust. With the Dremel I can work in the open air or else a great mess as the dust flies everywhere. I am now nearly ready to work on the transom area. This needs a lot of study as it seems very tricky to set up the right profile and angles.
 
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Like ADC, I use the Dremel with sanding drum also. I once had the oscillating sander but your have beveled edges and it's only good for 90 degree edges so it's not the best tool for the job. I've also used a #22 Xacto to carve the bevels in frames and then finished with a sanding block.

Bob
 
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Good work Uwek. I use a Dremel battery drill, the 10.8 volt version with sanding bands to grind the ribs. Works well but I got covered in lots of dust. With the Dremel I can work in the open air or else a great mess as the dust flies everywhere. I am now nearly ready to work on the transom area. This needs a lot of study as it seems very tricky to set up the right profile and angles.
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Due to winter conditions we still have here in Austria, today once more some snow, I have to work inside. Because of the dust I was thinking about a Spindel Sander with connection to the vac.
Would be nice to see your progress and / status of your built in your log.....you know.....I have to see how to do it ;-)
 
lauckstreet said:
Like ADC, I use the Dremel with sanding drum also. I once had the oscillating sander but your have beveled edges and it's only good for 90 degree edges so it's not the best tool for the job. I've also used a #22 Xacto to carve the bevels in frames and then finished with a sanding block.

Bob
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Hallo Bob, you are right with the normal Spindel Sanders. I found some, where you can change the table up to 45 degrees..... maybe it will be a combination of everything.....many thanks for your hints and infos
 
Uwek said:
Hallo Bob, you are right with the normal Spindel Sanders. I found some, where you can change the table up to 45 degrees..... maybe it will be a combination of everything.....many thanks for your hints and infos
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Hi Uwe, That might seem like a possible solution but keep in mind, the angle of the bevel on the frames changes throughout the length of the frame depending on the shape of the hull. You can't depend on that angle being 45 degrees or less through the entire shape of the frame. Believe me, I've tried a spindle sander and a oscillating sander back in the haydays of my scratchbuilding. In the end I settled on the Dremel with the drum sander where I had much better control. I don't think I would try it any other way if I were building POF models from scratch again.

Take care,

Bob
 
lauckstreet said:
Hi Uwe, That might seem like a possible solution but keep in mind, the angle of the bevel on the frames changes throughout the length of the frame depending on the shape of the hull. You can't depend on that angle being 45 degrees or less through the entire shape of the frame. Believe me, I've tried a spindle sander and a oscillating sander back in the haydays of my scratchbuilding. In the end I settled on the Dremel with the drum sander where I had much better control. I don't think I would try it any other way if I were building POF models from scratch again.

Take care,

Bob
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Thanks Bob for your additional remark.... I will give it a first try with the proxxons and a small drum sander which I have. I am also pretty sure, that a more accurate work can be done with the hand-tools
One big advantage the have, in addition to your described one -> I have them already and they cost nothing.
Once more many thanks
 
G'day Uwek and lauckstreet
I'm gonna put my pennies in this topic about beveling the frames. I think the best and safest a way is the use of a rasp, to get it close to what it should be.
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I've got a very similar one like this or just a rasp like a file type.
And then use a series of sandpaper to a very fine gritt and a small block of wood. This is done after the frames are glued into position. Inside I like the drum attachment on a dremel on a low spread.
Havagooday
Greg
 
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