Making your own Ropes

[Procrastinator]

I ordered the PL4 from Domanof

I will try the Guterman thread available locally and experiment. the suggested thread mentioned don’t appear to be available in Australia.

The Guterman treads available here in store where I live are just called Guterman polyester thread.

I will first try this one shown in image

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Hi Phillip. I was chatting to you on another Facebook page yesterday. As far as I can ascertain, the most important features to look for in threads are 100% monofilament polyester overlocking threads. Gutermann is the most famous for us modellers, not least because it is high quality and has some very useful shades (722 light beige and 696 dark brown). However, you have to go with what's available locally. I just Googled polyester overlocking threads in Australia, and up came Homecraft Textiles (homecrafttextiles.com.au) selling 5,000 metre spools for $3.99, and looks to have quite a colour range. Might be worth a try.

 

[Crisjaca]

Pedí el PL4 de Domanof

Probaré el hilo de Guterman disponible localmente y experimentaré. El hilo sugerido mencionado no parece estar disponible en Australia.

Los hilos Guterman disponibles aquí en la tienda donde vivo se llaman simplemente hilo de poliéster Guterman.

Primero probaré este que se muestra en la imagen.

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Hola, ese es demasiado grueso, estariamos hablando de 030 mm 0´35 mm, para depende de que lo vayas a usar se ira de escala, en serio, la maquina que he hecho me costo una mañana de hacer, motores de impresora vieja, transformadores de modem o similar, madera de chapacumen, y lo unico los rodamientos que si que pedi a Aliexpress, ten en cuenta que el hilo Mara 120 de Gütterman es de 0´10 0´15 mm y con ese te sale los cabos que quieras. Te adjunta tabla con los grosores dependiendo del nº de hilos que pongas en cada filatica, con el hilo de Mara 120ola

 

[Phillipsart]

When you go to the link I shared (post #8), you will discover that not sewing thread but lock yarn will give the best result. Gunterman is a brand that sells this and will give a good result, but also Serafil 120/2 of the brand Amann will give you a good result. Ropes of scale, I believe, also sells lockyarn for those who want to make their on rope. An endless rope making machine is not difficult to use, but it is limited in use. Rope of scale and modeltakelgarn (Germany) use machines like I use. The Domanoff machine that YT speaks about is easy to use, but also limited in lenght (or you live in a castle with a high tower and you love to run the stairs up and down). A horizontal rope machine is the best to use (especially for use old guys), like the reel thing unlimeted in lenght. It's no higher mathematic to build your own, but if you don't like that there are a lot of machines on the market. I sell this one for a cheap price.

Rope walk new

Hi everybody. Many know I worked on a rope walk for a long time. See here my topic about making rope. https://shipsofscale.com/sosforums/threads/make-your-rope-on-a-rope-walk.9094/ I'm so far to present you a machine that I make and sell. I already helped a lot of people into making ropes and I...

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But like I said there are more to buy or DIY. Read the link I first share and @Masters Mate also repleyed (post #11).

Thanks, I’ve already ordered the PL4. But I’m still interested in yours. How much to Australia

 

[Steef66]

Thanks, I’ve already ordered the PL4. But I’m still interested in yours. How much to Australia

I send you a PM

 

[paul ron]

Hi, that's too thick. We'd be talking about 0.30 mm or 0.35 mm. Depending on what you're going to use it for, it might be too thick. Seriously, the machine I made took me a morning to complete. I used old printer motors, modem transformers or similar parts, and plywood. The only thing I ordered from AliExpress was the bearings. Keep in mind that Gütterman's Mara 120 thread is 0.10 or 0.15 mm thick, and you can make as many strands as you need with that. I've attached a table with the thicknesses depending on the number of strands you use in each row, using Mara 120 thread.View attachment 574460

the thing is, how to scale the ropes needed on a model ship... im working in 1:96. i understand real rope is measured by circumference and we use diameter for our models. the complication comes in when choosing a thread. what size thread do i use for a certain scaled size finished rope?

i have no idea what that table is refering to. what is 2*9 or any of the left column means.

 

[Steef66]

the thing is, how to scale the ropes needed on a model ship... im working in 1:96. i understand real rope is measured by circumference and we use diameter for our models. the complication comes in when choosing a thread. what size thread do i use for a certain scaled size finished rope?

i have no idea what that table is refering to. what is 2*9 or any of the left column means.

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Make your rope on a rope walk

I did a lot of research on how to make rope on a rope walk and build my own rope walk. I love to share my experience with you. The quality of the rope delivered in your kit is not always of high quality. Fluffy, badly made so that you can better use it to tie up your old paper than to rig your...

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everything is explained. you have to experience and make a log about the rope you make. If there is 3x4 rope, that means rope with 3 strands and each strand is 4 yarns. The outcome of the rope depends on which yarn you use, the setup of your ropewalk, which ropewalk you use, and the settings. This can result in different thicknesses. That is why you should keep a log for yourself. But please visit that log, not only me but also others explain their work.

 

[paul ron]

i saw your project, very impressive and a great explanation of rope style n types. i really never knew much about rope. thanks.

the rope walk is an easy diy project... ive made several types with my cub scouts back in the day and even made one from my old triple head norelco shaver. anyone with a bit of skill can do that... its not rocket science... we are very talented folks after all. so the making of the rope isnt a problem... its finding materials n how they finish.

im still confused with weights for commonly available threads such as gutterman found in almost any department store. when trying to pick a thread color in a particular material, it only comes in one weight.. and there are no set standardized weights from brand to brand to reference. so how can i make several weight ropes for my ship if the thinnest i can make is already out of scale? id hate to buy so many spools n still cant find what i need. thats where your and other experianced diyers can help. i see you like one particular brand thread. ive never seen it on the shelves here so i can compare it to other brands for color and weight n material vs minimum finished diameter rope. i see you can increase diameters by using more threads or will that not be appropiate for righing n usage?

like i said, i dont know much about rope other than your linked post and a few other threads on the subject. its still very vague to me, especially with limited resources. in my 50+ years of scratch building ships, ive never used diy rope, only single thread off the spools. i also never used synthetic threads so im lost when picking synthetic materials.

btw what are the numbers in the center column of crisjsca's chart?

 

[Crisjaca]

La cuestión es, ¿cómo escalar las cuerdas necesarias para un modelo de barco? Estoy trabajando en 1:96. Entiendo que la cuerda real se mide por circunferencia y usamos el diámetro para nuestros modelos. La complicación surge al elegir un hilo. ¿Qué tamaño de hilo uso para una cuerda terminada de cierto tamaño a escala?

No tengo idea a qué se refiere esa tabla. ¿Qué significa 2*9 o cualquiera de las columnas de la izquierda?

Buenos días, un cabo normalmente se compone de tres cordones, y cada cordón puede estar compuesto de varias filásticas, en la tabla el primer nº es los cordones que componen el cabo construido con Gütterman Mara 120, osea 3 cordones por una filasticas sale un cabo de 0´35 mm, 3 cordones de 2 filásticas sale un cabo de 0´60 mm, 3 cordones de 3 flásticas sale un cabo de 0'70 mm....así sucesivamente.
El siguiente recuadro serán cabos construidos con solo 2 cordones, 2 cordones x 1 filástica= 0´25mm, 2 cordones x 2 filásticas= 0´45, así sucesivamente...
El último recuadro seria para cabos construidos con 4 hilos, mismo sintema, 4 hilos x 1 filástica= 0´45 mm, y así todos...
El grosor de los cabos se mide, enrollando en una varilla, 10 o 20 vueltas del cabo a medir, bien pegadas las vueltas, se mide la anchura resultante y se divide por las vueltas. Espero que ahora se haya entendido. Un saludo.

 

[paul ron]

Good morning, a rope is normally made up of three strands, and each strand can be made up of several plies. In the table, the first number is the number of strands that make up the rope made with Gütterman Mara 120, that is, 3 strands with one ply makes a rope of 0.35 mm, 3 strands with 2 plies make a rope of 0.60 mm, 3 strands with 3 plies make a rope of 0.70 mm... and so on.
The following section will show ropes constructed with only 2 strands, 2 strands x 1 yarn = 0.25mm, 2 strands x 2 yarns = 0.45mm, and so on...
The last box would be for ropes constructed with 4 strands, same system, 4 strands x 1 strand = 0.45 mm, and so on for all...
The thickness of the rope is measured by wrapping it 10 or 20 times around a rod, making sure the wraps are tight. The resulting width is then measured and divided by the number of wraps. I hope that's clear now. Best regards.

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Buenos días, un cabo normalmente se compone de tres cordones, y cada cordón puede estar compuesto de varias filásticas, en la tabla el primer nº es los cordones que componen el cabo construido con Gütterman Mara 120, osea 3 cordones por una filasticas sale un cabo de 0´35 mm, 3 cordones de 2 filásticas sale un cabo de 0´60 mm, 3 cordones de 3 flásticas sale un cabo de 0'70 mm....así sucesivamente.
El siguiente recuadro serán cabos construidos con solo 2 cordones, 2 cordones x 1 filástica= 0´25mm, 2 cordones x 2 filásticas= 0´45, así sucesivamente...
El último recuadro seria para cabos construidos con 4 hilos, mismo sintema, 4 hilos x 1 filástica= 0´45 mm, y así todos...
El grosor de los cabos se mide, enrollando en una varilla, 10 o 20 vueltas del cabo a medir, bien pegadas las vueltas, se mide la anchura resultante y se divide por las vueltas. Espero que ahora se haya entendido. Un saludo.

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ooooohhh that explains it very nicely. i now see the numbers are 0.xx mm for each winding. thats worth a million bucks! thanks.

im out the door so ill have to get back to my reply later to continue our conversation.