Thank you Johan. I am happy with how it is taking shape so far.Basically what Rich wrote; if you're not aiming at building your ship fully authentic, which, in my opinion, is impossible to achieve, than all is permitted in love, war and modeling, as long as you are satisfied by the results and, in your case, as long as the Lion sleeps...
Whichever way one leans, your planking job is still something else!
I plan to carve a lot, not sure if I will replace everything, will see when I cross that bridge!
Yes it will be, It would be great! you ain‘t on a deadline are you?I plan to carve a lot, not sure if I will replace everything, will see when I cross that bridge!
There are things they do not provide, and things that are sub par, those I will definitely carve. Some of the other things are questionable. So if I don’t like anything, I will just carve it myself. However this could become very time consuming…lol
True! No deadline on this one.Yes it will be, It would be great! you ain‘t on a deadline are you?
The transitions with their gradient angle look nice and smooth. The planks also fit very nicely. I am impressed, Dean.Due to the conversation about the stern tuck, rather than switch to the port side, I added a few more planks to the starboard side to show the change in radius as the planks progress.
Here is an overall pic…
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If you look at the bottom plank, the radius has become very large at this point. I am going to stop on this side and start on the port side!
Ps - It still needs a final sanding. And this NL is one big beast to plank! I feel like I’m never going to finish!
Thank you Peter! I still remain confused as to why, if it looks good, it would be wrong?
Let’s keep it to: Different angles gives different points of view!Thank you Peter! I still remain confused as to why, if it looks good, it would be wrong?
The planking gets more challenging, the further down the hull I go…
This whole thing reminds me of something a famous musician once said about music theory. He said when composing music, if it sounds right, it’s right! Meaning…use your ears, you’ll know if it’s wrong! And if it sounds good to the ear, what difference does it make if it doesn’t follow theory?
Amen to that!This whole thing reminds me of something a famous musician once said about music theory. He said when composing music, if it sounds right, it’s right! Meaning…use your ears, you’ll know if it’s wrong! And if it sounds good to the ear, what difference does it make if it doesn’t follow theory?
And in this case, if it looks good, it’s correct! So I am using my eyes to tell me if it is right, not any theory or historical references. As an artist I trust my eyes the most, as a musician it’s my ears. Beyond that, why add constraints that eliminate options or stifle creativity?
Clearly I’m not willing to be constrained by historical accuracy of old ships, that is at best an educated guess.
And that folks, is why I can be stubborn…lol. Because I don’t ever think there is only way to do something. And I don’t believe if you don’t do something one specific way, then it’s wrong.
How you get to your final destination is up to you. You decide if you take the long way, the short way, the easy way, the hard way, etc.
And I don’t think offering advice or tips is ever a bad thing. I just think saying something is not correct, should be followed by this statement… if you want to follow historical examples or theory!
In conclusion, I’ve said this before…but, I seem to have to keep saying it every time I start a new build log. So this should be my disclaimer on page 1 of all my build logs:
I don’t build ships for museums, or to sell, this is merely a hobby to me. Therefore, even though I consider historical facts and theories that surround these ships, I have no problem using artistic license to make something that “I“ find pleasing! And I refuse to be a slave to such things as historical accuracy, and chose the freedom to build my ship any way I want. This doesn’t make it wrong, it makes it mine. And I don’t want mine to look like yours or anyone else’s, because I deem that boring! And if something bores me, I stop doing it!
So let’s don’t make clones, let’s make individual models, that are a reflection of us. Happy modeling to all!
Hello Mon Ami. Although 'Museum Quality' is a vague concept, if it is a concept at all, so building for Museums doesn't necessarily a requirement for authenticity and quality for the model in question. But that is the discussion for another thread I have posted last yearI don’t build ships for museums, or to sell, this is merely a hobby to me. Therefore, even though I consider historical facts and theories that surround these ships, I have no problem using artistic license to make something that “I“ find pleasing! And I refuse to be a slave to such things as historical accuracy, and chose the freedom to build my ship any way I want. This doesn’t make it wrong, it makes it mine. And I don’t want mine to look like yours or anyone else’s, because I deem that boring! And if something bores me, I stop doing it!
So let’s don’t make clones, let’s make individual models, that are a reflection of us. Happy modeling to all!
I think theory, for whatever field you might want to consider, is nothing more than trying to explain and describe what first was a dream, an idea in the mind of an artist or a creative thinker. So theory is nothing more or nothing less than an effort to cast the elusive creativity (or chaos) into tangible, understandable words and formulas. Look at the old shipwrights; no drawings, no infinite stress analysis or methods, yet look at the results; ships, still able to impress us, modern men.This whole thing reminds me of something a famous musician once said about music theory. He said when composing music, if it sounds right, it’s right! Meaning…use your ears, you’ll know if it’s wrong! And if it sounds good to the ear, what difference does it make if it doesn’t follow theory?
And in this case, if it looks good, it’s correct! So I am using my eyes to tell me if it is right, not any theory or historical references. As an artist I trust my eyes the most, as a musician it’s my ears. Beyond that, why add constraints that eliminate options or stifle creativity?
Clearly I’m not willing to be constrained by historical accuracy of old ships, that is at best an educated guess.
And that folks, is why I can be stubborn…lol. Because I don’t ever think there is only way to do something. And I don’t believe if you don’t do something one specific way, then it’s wrong.
How you get to your final destination is up to you. You decide if you take the long way, the short way, the easy way, the hard way, etc.
And I don’t think offering advice or tips is ever a bad thing. I just think saying something is not correct, should be followed by this statement… if you want to follow historical examples or theory!
In conclusion, I’ve said this before…but, I seem to have to keep saying it every time I start a new build log. So this should be my disclaimer on page 1 of all my build logs:
I don’t build ships for museums, or to sell, this is merely a hobby to me. Therefore, even though I consider historical facts and theories that surround these ships, I have no problem using artistic license to make something that “I“ find pleasing! And I refuse to be a slave to such things as historical accuracy, and chose the freedom to build my ship any way I want. This doesn’t make it wrong, it makes it mine. And I don’t want mine to look like yours or anyone else’s, because I deem that boring! And if something bores me, I stop doing it!
So let’s don’t make clones, let’s make individual models, that are a reflection of us. Happy modeling to all!
I think the point is, because I am building the ship for me, it’s up to me how historically correct or accurate I chose to be. Some people go to great lengths to try to achieve this. For me it takes the fun out of building a ship. My only concern is that the craftsmanship is good and the choices I make are tasteful. If so, the end result will always be nice! Something I can be happy to display. So I really don’t like getting into debates over how something was done historically. I honestly don’t care about that as much as what I am doing is in good taste, and the craftsmanship is good. Half the fun for me is determining the scheme I want to use. I don’t feel obligated to use the original paint scheme unless I like it. But I usually change something about it and personalize it. Because it allows me to be creative as an artist. I don’t want to suppress that. Which is why I am glad I started carving. This allows me more artistic creativity. So I don’t want to get caught up in the debates that attempt to dictate color scheme or the ways things were done. That to me is limiting. There are people who have fun doing research and implementing the historical aspects, that is what they enjoy. I don’t enjoy that, I enjoy building and creating!Hello Mon Ami. Although 'Museum Quality' is a vague concept, if it is a concept at all, so building for Museums doesn't necessarily a requirement for authenticity and quality for the model in question. But that is the discussion for another thread I have posted last year
Historical accuracy might be vague as well. It will highly depend on the actual ship and the amount of reference material you can find. But then, another question: should I trust those resources to begin with?
Modelers should build models as per their abilities and standards. Personally, I have no problem making a close match to someone's model, if that model will shy in my eyes. Also, it shouldn't be a matter who you are building this model for, you are building as per your own standard, or as I say - Acceptance level.
I have no problems making individual models. But even from the same kit, you will not be able to build clones. Building models required some discipline following drafts\plans. Otherwise, why would we need those drafts?
You're on to the heart of the matter. We all have our own goals for the models we build. Some are meticulously studying their subject, wanting to know and understand all they can about the model they're about to build.I think the point is, because I am building the ship for me, it’s up to me how historically correct or accurate I chose to be. Some people go to great lengths to try to achieve this. For me it takes the fun out of building a ship. My only concern is that the craftsmanship is good and the choices I make are tasteful. If so, the end result will always be nice! Something I can be happy to display. So I really loathe getting into debates over how something was done historically on my ship. I honestly don’t care. As long as what I am doing is in good taste, and the craftsmanship is good, what else matters? Half the fun for me is determining the scheme I want to use. I don’t feel obligated to use the original paint scheme unless I like it. But I usually change something about it and personalize it. Because it allows me to be creative as an artist. I don’t want to suppress that. Which is why I am glad I started carving. This allows me more artistic creativity. So I don’t want to get caught up in the debates that attempt to dictate color scheme or the ways things were done. That to me is limiting. To those who have fun doing research and implementing the historical aspects, that is what they enjoy. I don’t enjoy that, I enjoy building and creating!
Thank you very much Pete!
