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TKAM said:
The leavings of all the standing rigging.

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I got to thinking that there are two different manners of furling: one at sea and one in port. Here are two illustrations from the book that I have shown the cover. He spends four pages and many illustrations that I am not attaching.Reference Book Cover.jpg
Notice the differences but basically the bottom corners are drawn up creating triangular shapes toward the mast and then bundled as the rest of the sail is folded and secured by the gaskets.Furling Procedures.jpg
The show a close up of the furled sail on the yard.Furled on Yard.jpg
I recommend the book if you can afford it from the Naval Institute Press. PT-2

Book review - SEAMANSHIP IN THE AGE OF SAIL: An Account of the Shiphandling of the Sailing Man-of-War 1600-1860" by John Harland

Seamanship in the Age of Sail: An Account of the Shiphandling of the Sailing Man-of-War 1600-1860, By John Harland Illustrated by Mark Myers Hardcover: 320 pages Publisher: Naval Institute Press (January 15, 2016) Language: English ISBN-10: 0870219553 ISBN-13: 978-0870219559 Product...
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PT-2 said:
I got to thinking that there are two different manners of furling: one at sea and one in port. Here are two illustrations from the book that I have shown the cover. He spends four pages and many illustrations that I am not attaching.View attachment 187843
Notice the differences but basically the bottom corners are drawn up creating triangular shapes toward the mast and then bundled as the rest of the sail is folded and secured by the gaskets.View attachment 187844
The show a close up of the furled sail on the yard.View attachment 187845
I recommend the book if you can afford it from the Naval Institute Press. PT-2
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It should also be noted that if the upper gallants and those masts/yards would not be used for some time, they would be brought down to the deck after the sails removed and lowered down by tackles and falls. the masts and yards were precarious as if one became loose it would be a massive arrow going straight through the decks and hull. They knew what they were doing and it was all a part of everyday seamanship. PT-2
 
PT-2 said:
It should also be noted that if the upper gallants and those masts/yards would not be used for some time, they would be brought down to the deck after the sails removed and lowered down by tackles and falls. the masts and yards were precarious as if one became loose it would be a massive arrow going straight through the decks and hull. They knew what they were doing and it was all a part of everyday seamanship. PT-2
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What a wonderful resource! I just ordered the book.
 
TKAM said:
What a wonderful resource! I just ordered the book.
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You will enjoy understanding the usage as a background to the model ships that you build. If you look closely on the cover you will see sails being furled but also a yard arm being lowered as I alluded to previously. It amazed me that they could literally set masts and yards while at sea for weather and sailing conditions. A second book that you may have or consider is: James Lees, The Masting and Rigging of English Ships of War 1625 - 1860, Naval Institute Press, 1979. You may have to find it in a web search for used books where I found my own copy in excellent condition. PT-2
 
Spirit sail all rigged up ready to mount, I am going to mount this sail unfurled. Most of the drawings I see of old ships do not have the spirit sail unfurled but as this model is an experiment I figure the best way to practice rigging an unfurled sail is on a simpler one like the spirit sail.

This is a test mounting without all the blocks and lines.

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This is the sail after attaching all the necessary blocks, standing rigging and running rigging.

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TKAM said:
Spirit sail all rigged up ready to mount, I am going to mount this sail unfurled. Most of the drawings I see of old ships do not have the spirit sail unfurled but as this model is an experiment I figure the best way to practice rigging an unfurled sail is on a simpler one like the spirit sail.

This is a test mounting without all the blocks and lines.

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This is the sail after attaching all the necessary blocks, standing rigging and running rigging.

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If it is still as shown, you may want to try to use bunt lines to the lower corners and draw them up in the bundled furling manner which does not have the excess canvas at the ends of the yard. The prior illustrations show this. Just a thought that may not be feasible if you have "starched" the sail. PT-2
 
PT-2 said:
If it is still as shown, you may want to try to use bunt lines to the lower corners and draw them up in the bundled furling manner which does not have the excess canvas at the ends of the yard. The prior illustrations show this. Just a thought that may not be feasible if you have "starched" the sail. PT-2
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Yes that is precisely what the 3/32 block on the upper corners of the sprit sail is for. The bunt line on the spirit sail top sail goes through that block then to blocks attached to the bowsprit cap then down to a pin on the rail.
 
TKAM said:
Yes that is precisely what the 3/32 block on the upper corners of the sprit sail is for. The bunt line on the spirit sail top sail goes through that block then to blocks attached to the bowsprit cap then down to a pin on the rail.
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As I understand it you are only showing the rigging and sail full out/down and not furled with those corners drawn up and bundled this time around. Maybe you have another sail that you can furl in the tight neat manner. Just thoughts... PT-2
 
PT-2 said:
As I understand it you are only showing the rigging and sail full out/down and not furled with those corners drawn up and bundled this time around. Maybe you have another sail that you can furl in the tight neat manner. Just thoughts... PT-2
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I'd very much like to have some of each. But what it really comes down to is the limit of my ability. I have no problem taking it slow and doing research. But to be honest I have from time to time left out a detail here or there because I knew I just couldn't do it.
 
PT-2 said:
As I understand it you are only showing the rigging and sail full out/down and not furled with those corners drawn up and bundled this time around. Maybe you have another sail that you can furl in the tight neat manner. Just thoughts... PT-2
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Hey PT what's your method of stiffening sails?
 
TKAM said:
Hey PT what's your method of stiffening sails?
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I use a spray that I got from Hobby Lobby - Aleene's Stiffen Quik a fabric spray. I used that on the Constructo pilot boat after the sails were bent. I started with a light spray of water to moisten the cloth and more readily absorb the stiffener. After a spraying I would shape the sail with my fingers, allow it to dry and repeat the process several times. On the schooner rig it was easier than it would be on a square sail with those set. Olahs' method of placing the cloth over a form or supporting the edges/corners and weighting the cloth with lightly loaded bags to dry is what your look as though you may have done. and then mounted the yard with the formed sail.August 8 Status 3.jpg
and after the status photo one with the sails partially formed. Pilot Boat 8.9 B.jpg
 
Brian077 said:
Nice looking ship model PT-2. Do you have a build log for it ?

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Thank you, Brian. No, I don't have a log covering the start around 1970 on a carved hull and masting not set but put into drydock until this past Spring when I joined the crew in SoS and completed it with numerous up grades of deck furniture, equipment, and rigging that the kit did not include but I learned were actually required for a working pilot boat and sail control lines. I didn't feel that it was up to what I wanted to present in SoS and did not know how to start a (completion) log.
I put up some logs in the canoe group of the two that I completed but do not know how to get the log update entries buttons into place for a useful tracking log.
Plenty to learn and implement as I did not start a log on my Bluenose which is now very close to starting completion of the hull for planking. My canoe intention was to learn the planking involved with a strip canoe and practice that for the Bluenose. I will try to get a log going for it but have to reach back to old and earlier photos to get it started. PT-2
 
Making the rope coils for completed belays. The bow is complete, I'm pretty happy with the results of hanging a sail unfurled. Next up: Fore sail course yardarm.

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Blocks hanging from upper cross trees for the spirit sail and spirt sail topsail braces.

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Working on the boom, gaff, and spanker sail. Last pic is of the mast hoops for the spanker. Just 20 gauge wire fashioned in a circle but I haven't figured out just yet how to secure them to the sail. This forum has lots of good leads though. The ties I added to the pre-sewn sails....the thread I used is exactly the same hue as the sail itself and I can barely make them out. I don't know if that's a good thing or not. Should they be diminutive or stand out just a bit with a slightly different color thread? I'm still mulling that over.

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