Vasa - 1:65 DeAgostini [COMPLETED BUILD]

Perhaps farthelling predates Wasa in Sweden, but I just showed you an English engraving from 1635 which shows farthelling. ;) Farthelling was required when sails have a pronounced trapedzoidal shape, such as early men-of-war have on their topsails.
Excellent Kurt. It appears my conclusions were wrong on this point. I appreciate this open discussion.
 
All in all another great discussion that I hope will be helpful to others building ships from this period. As we can see there is not total agreement between Anderson, Harland, Hoving, and Van de Veld. Of course, this no longer surprises me because of the shifting practices regionally and across time. As I have said before, we often think we know more than we actually know - and we never know everything we want to know (specifically about seafaring practices from 400 years ago).

I have added staples and rings to every yard and I'm going to see how that plays out. They are easy to remove (indeed, they have been falling out at an alarming rate) if I want to remove them later. At this point I need to have a measured (limited) expectation about what I will be able to do with my sails and what I won't be able to do. Real sails hang with weight and our fake sails lack that property so I suspect there will need to be concessions.
 
What Kurt said, but I'll add some additional bits. The gasket is the rope. I have not shown gaskets yet in this post. What I have shown is a staple plus two rings on each staple. The gasket is tied to one of the rings - passes under the furled sail to the opposite ring - and is then tied off using something called a timber hitch. Kurt is describing a long gasket which is wrapped in a spiral along the length of the yardarm holding the furled sail in place. It would not require as many (or perhaps any) staple/rings...
Oh no there is more than one type of gasket, thank you I will reread the explanation tomorrow after a good night's sleep.
 
Oh wow Paul, I've just been reading Anderson about sails he said if you are building anything smaller than 1/4" per foot (1:48) you should probably not even have sails!! Well, I'm at 1:75 and now have em , bolt roped and all so here we go. Your right, robands are just another very tedious procedure. As for gasket rings and gaskets, A sigh... A laugh... A couple head shakes and it's off to the shipyard.
 
Oh wow Paul, I've just been reading Anderson about sails he said if you are building anything smaller than 1/4" per foot (1:48) you should probably not even have sails!! Well, I'm at 1:75 and now have em , bolt roped and all so here we go. Your right, robands are just another very tedious procedure. As for gasket rings and gaskets, A sigh... A laugh... A couple head shakes and it's off to the shipyard.
Yup. I read that too. But it just seemed a richer learning experience to at least take a run at sails (plus, my bride favored them versus model ships without them from our visit at the Rijksmuseum). Having sails also helps the rigging make more sense - at least at my level of understanding.
 
About gaskets on topsails
Post in thread 'Pinnace Papegojan 1627 - 1/48 [COMPLETED BUILD]' https://shipsofscale.com/sosforums/...an-1627-1-48-completed-build.7055/post-168932
Ab Hovin's notes are very informative (steef66 thanks for the link).
New nothing about these "gasket" nor rings for that matter regarding the Vasa - now need to research regarding English ships of the same vintage one decade later -- Though Paul if I understand correctly - gaskets were the ropes attaching the sails to their yards?
I don't remembers seeing rings attached to the 1/10th???
 
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Ab Hovin's notes are very informative (steef66 thanks for the link).
New nothing about these "gasket" nor rings for that matter regarding the Vasa - now need to research regarding English ships of the same vintage one decade later -- Though Paul if I understand correctly - gaskets were the ropes attaching the sails to their yards?
I don't remembers seeing rings attached to the 1/10th???
Correct John. The 1:10 does not have staples or rings or gaskets rigged. Of course Ab Hoving's comments do refer to Dutch ship-building practices so I consider him a more than reliable source of information.

Gaskets are the ropes used for furling. The ropes used to attach (bend) the sails to the yards are robands. So many new terms...
 
Thank you, Kirill, I also am at the stage of rigging the yards and sails on my Vasa. This is a great and informative discussion, and I can now see the need to put a copy of Anderson on my reader.
Good day Daniel,
Yes , it is... and I would recommend to have copy of J.Harland "Seamanship in the age of sail.." as well , in addition to R. Anderson book.
 
What Kurt said, but I'll add some additional bits. The gasket is the rope. I have not shown gaskets yet in this post. What I have shown is a staple plus two rings on each staple. The gasket is tied to one of the rings - passes under the furled sail to the opposite ring - and is then tied off using something called a timber hitch. Kurt is describing a long gasket which is wrapped in a spiral along the length of the yardarm holding the furled sail in place. It would not require as many (or perhaps any) staples/rings...
Good day Paul,
Nice remark! ... it looks like , this is what J. Harland shown on 2A picture, wascdiscussed early... now I'm seriously thinking to make some rearrangements in my former installed topsails gaskets ... when I will be back at home... left two of them, in shape of long coil...
 
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Hello Friends,

I'm taking a bit of time away from actively working on my Vasa, but today was quite nice outside, so I risked a road trip. I hope you enjoy these outdoor photos...

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It's good to stop every once in a while and remember what has been accomplished. I am truly grateful for the many, many people who have helped me, corrected me, and encouraged me along the way. I have been blessed by your shared expertise and friendship, and I'm excited to see what the

Hello Friends,

I'm taking a bit of time away from actively working on my Vasa, but today was quite nice outside, so I risked a road trip. I hope you enjoy these outdoor photos...

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It's good to stop every once in a while and remember what has been accomplished. I am truly grateful for the many, many people who have helped me, corrected me, and encouraged me along the way. I have been blessed by your shared expertise and friendship, and I'm excited to see what the future holds!
Wow! I'm without words! What a beautiful build. Congrats Paul this is definitely a work of art. I really hope someday I can achieve a build as perfect as this one.
 
Awesome images!! especially the so well lit interior images that she and her team took.
I have been there twice - once in mid 90s then again in 018. I was lucky enough to spend an hour or so with Dr. Hocker. He took me through his research department as well. Memorable indeed.

Regards,
 
When I look at the pictures of your Vasa outside, the beautiful pearwood shines, the ship stands proud...what a model and it's truly unbelievable it is your first model ship you're making. It's just ridiculus to get your mind around that!
 
Hello Friends,

I'm taking a bit of time away from actively working on my Vasa, but today was quite nice outside, so I risked a road trip. I hope you enjoy these outdoor photos...

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It's good to stop every once in a while and remember what has been accomplished. I am truly grateful for the many, many people who have helped me, corrected me, and encouraged me along the way. I have been blessed by your shared expertise and friendship, and I'm excited to see what the future holds!
Stupendous workmanship. fabulous model.
 
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