VASA 490 Build Log - Billing Boats, 1:75 [COMPLETED BUILD]

Ah, Before act on the model, try this advice, if You like it ,somewhere on the experimental area... to avoid truobles with your already fitted rigging...
I m not shure how CA will work with your threads material..I used Gutterman tera threads
I applied CA on unpainted thread, when they were still max flexy... and on final stage, when all were balanced and clued, I painted all my running rigging in desired color ...
If You scroll down pictures https://shipsofscale.com/sosforums/...00-may-2021-completed-build.7848/#post-180028
There are a few in the end demonstraited my halliard rigging stage...load with counter weights ,etc.
 
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Daniel20 said:
Good morning,
I wanted to post this important step in the Vasa's running rigging, being placement of the halyards, which hold the foremast topgallant and topsail yards. Previously I had commented where I had left this step out until it was too late concerning the placement of the main mast topgallant halyard and had to go in and remove some of the exterior bracing between the main and mizzen mast to install it. I also placed ahead of time some required single and double sheeves along the main stays. For now, I have the halyards temporarily tied off with maybe 75% of the tension needed just to hold its shape. The trick here will be to apply just enough tension in the halyard lines to look good and not pull the main forward stays to badly out of their original straight alignment.

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Once again, I'm following the Vasa Museum drawings and model where practical and the Billings as a base to start with.
Thanks for looking in and happy modeling.
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Good morning Daniel. That is insane rigging. With hindsight it truely baffles my mind why the shipwright back in the day would run these halyards for the yards such. Makes for interesting modeling now tho. Fantastic work here Daniel. Cheers Grant
 
Heinrich said:
Dear Daniel. This is lovely work my friend. I can only imagine what a tricky balance that must be to get that tension just right. You, Paul and Peter are setting new standards for the rigging of the VASA - something you can be immensely proud of!
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Thank you for your kind words, Heinrich. Rigging a real ships halyard in this fashion seems incredibly difficult. Can't imagine how they did it.
 
kirill4 said:
Daniel,
Your Vasa and her rigging looks very nice!!!
Keep balance of strait halliards-straight crowfeets and straight stay could be realy serious task !:) if failed, due to unscaled materials characternstays became funny curved but halliards crowfeets could still remains looks not loaded and strait...
If I may, I would reccomend to use some counter weight temporary secured in crowfeet halliard area, when You will continue balancing them to make halliards tight...
it will help to keep relevant stays straight under tension and crowfeets as well in process....
There need to play with counter weight on crowfeets side and pulling force of the halliard runng from other side to keep relevant stay remains straigh or slightly curved upward.
When You reach desired "strait" shape of the halliard lines including crowfeets lines and stay itself, which need to be very lightly curved upward, than crowfeets need to be coated with "extra liquid"( other type of CA couldnt work well) type of CA,
better to do it in a few passes, without fanatism, apply everynnext layer after previous one dried complitely...Approx 3 times would be sufficient...
As soon all crowfeets with CA dried, they will keep their straihteness by itself and weight from both sides coud be removed...hope stays also remains straight :)))...
I used more or less similar technique on my model on this stage of running rigging...with difference , that I pulled each crowfeet through the stay and loaded it individualy and later on made simulation of knotting crowfeets to the stay...
All the best!
Kirill
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Hello Kirill, thank you so much for your expert advice with the crow's feet and tensioning. I am going to set up a test stage using CA on the crow's feet while counterbalancing the tie off line. In theory this should allow me to have straight crow's feet legs while putting minimal tension on the main stay. I love it. I do in fact use Gutterman poly threads and they take CA very well, they become very stiff. The CA tends to create a shine, but I can paint on a matte polyurethane to dull it back down.
 
GrantTyler said:
Good morning Daniel. That is insane rigging. With hindsight it truely baffles my mind why the shipwright back in the day would run these halyards for the yards such. Makes for interesting modeling now tho. Fantastic work here Daniel. Cheers Grant
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Thank you, Grant. I agree with you completely, I would try something much simpler to hold the yards, what they did just doesn't make sense.
 
kirill4 said:
Ah, Before act on the model, try this advice, if You like it ,somewhere on the experimental area... to avoid truobles with your already fitted rigging...
I m not shure how CA will work with your threads material..I used Gutterman tera threads
I applied CA on unpainted thread, when they were still max flexy... and on final stage, when all were balanced and clued, I painted all my running rigging in desired color ...
If You scroll down pictures https://shipsofscale.com/sosforums/...00-may-2021-completed-build.7848/#post-180028
There are a few in the end demonstraited my halliard rigging stage...load with counter weights ,etc.
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I studied your model Kirill, I see what you mean with the counterweights. Fantastic painting on your Spanish Galleon.
 
Daniel20 said:
Thank you, Grant. I agree with you completely, I would try something much simpler to hold the yards, what they did just doesn't make sense.
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I don't have actual knowledge to share here only a theory. I suspect some of the rigging from this period was showboating. I think the rigger was an artist showing how cool he could make the rigging look. I come by this theory based on how there are crows-feet attached to the bowsprit. That makes no sense as there was no need to distribute the forces imposed on that robust timber. But if the rigger was trying to demonstrate his skill then adding crows-feet in that location makes perfect sense. If my theory holds - then we can apply that same logic to other elements of the rig. In later periods, as ships got bigger and bigger, the rigging became necessarily more utilitarian.
 
dockattner said:
I don't have actual knowledge to share here only a theory. I suspect some of the rigging from this period was showboating. I think the rigger was an artist showing how cool he could make the rigging look. I come by this theory based on how there are crows-feet attached to the bowsprit. That makes no sense as there was no need to distribute the forces imposed on that robust timber. But if the rigger was trying to demonstrate his skill then adding crows-feet in that location makes perfect sense. If my theory holds - then we can apply that same logic to other elements of the rig. In later periods, as ships got bigger and bigger, the rigging became necessarily more utilitarian.
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Now that's an interesting theory Paul. I wonder if after a yard was raised to its operating position the stress was relieved off the crow's feet when the forces were transferred to the lift blocks at the ends of the yards and thus to the mast.
 
dockattner said:
I don't have actual knowledge to share here only a theory. I suspect some of the rigging from this period was showboating. I think the rigger was an artist showing how cool he could make the rigging look. I come by this theory based on how there are crows-feet attached to the bowsprit. That makes no sense as there was no need to distribute the forces imposed on that robust timber. But if the rigger was trying to demonstrate his skill then adding crows-feet in that location makes perfect sense. If my theory holds - then we can apply that same logic to other elements of the rig. In later periods, as ships got bigger and bigger, the rigging became necessarily more utilitarian.
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Yes, all what you see, the most was to show of. Read Peter Kirsch the galeons
 
Daniel20 said:
Now that's an interesting theory Paul. I wonder if after a yard was raised to its operating position the stress was relieved off the crow's feet when the forces were transferred to the lift blocks at the ends of the yards and thus to the mast.
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Daniel...pls consider all said below just as my "idle theory " of talking... :)))...
... You don't have excuse to show us slacked crowsfeets :))) / will not avoid keeping" strait" each line of the crowfeets of the upper sails halliard( top sail and top gallant) even forces will be transfered to the lifts ! :))).
You have to show them straight! :)))...
it will not works like thus -but should looks same as on the pictures...
mostly from estetic point of vew of couse...:)))
simplest way tobdo this...could try this small experiments which I mention to you above with using counterballannce weight, extra liquid CA and applied force to the running end of tie halliards to keep forces ballanced and to keep all lines "strait" in combination thus imitating gravity forces...
True , as fact, there should be 90% imitatition of the gravity ,need ton take in action CA clue, white wood clue and all other small aux staff and hot air gun ...
if You would like to give more" realistic" vew to your model in small scale... :)))
Like we could see on these examples...
there are no slacks on the tie haliards crowfeers regadless of the position of the relevant yards ...
at least, due to specific of the rigging of the top sails and the top gallant sails, their tie halliards all the way shoul looks strait and under tension because the weight of the yards, exept case when those sails dismantle from the yards completely...

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Hi Kirill, I was not planning on having slack crow's feet as that would look awful to me. I was just theorizing with Paul @dockattner about what might happen with them in the real world. I am defiantly going to have straight crow's feet or mostly straight at the very least. I intend to follow your suggestion with the CA.
 
Daniel20 said:
Now that's an interesting theory Paul. I wonder if after a yard was raised to its operating position the stress was relieved off the crow's feet when the forces were transferred to the lift blocks at the ends of the yards and thus to the mast.
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I doubt it. The lifts are approaching horizontal with the yard fully raised. I don't think they would be providing that much support at that point (still relying on the halyards for the gross lifting of the yards with the lifts just keeping the yard more or less level). Of course, I'm an orthodontist not a shipwright or sailor :rolleyes:.
 
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Good daynDaniel, Paul,
Ah, I see... the only one existing example, how these parts looks like in reality , I saw on this Kalmar Nykel replica...
Pictures I posted early... at least what we could see there fully agreed with Paul suggestions...
I don't know... may be they used aux slings in addition to the top sails halliard to unload rigging when sails setted in position...?
That could be just modern solution... but at least on the contemporarly pictures tie halliards with their crowfeets always shown straight/tight which suppose they keep weight of the yard...mmm... lifts most suitable for keeping yards in horizontal positiin I guess...
 
kirill4 said:
Good daynDaniel, Paul,
Ah, I see... the only one existing example, how these parts looks like in reality , I saw on this Kalmar Nykel replica...
Pictures I posted early... at least what we could see there fully agreed with Paul suggestions...
I don't know... may be they used aux slings in addition to the top sails halliard to unload rigging when sails setted in position...?
That could be just modern solution... but at least on the contemporarly pictures tie halliards with their crowfeets always shown straight/tight which suppose they keep weight of the yard...mmm... lifts most suitable for keeping yards in horizontal positiin I guess...
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Hey Kirill, I noticed in that excellent picture you sent, the one showing the real tall ship with the American flag, that there is a significant bow or bend in the main stay supporting the fore topsail halyard. I still intend to minimize this bowing on my Vasa however.
 
Hey Daniel,
Yes, this is Kalmar Nykel replica... rigging very close to Vasa period... logicaly, stay should be slightly bowed under weight of the yard but not straight
... but not too mach of couse , and it should be smoth bowing... with using that weights we told early when rigging model, You could easy make this bow in any degree You wish...
There is my suggestions, how it could be done with weight and CA( crowfeets area only)... if You deside to use this suggestion, try first on some aside imitation of the rigging, not straight on the model...
All the best!

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