VASA 490 Build Log - Billing Boats, 1:75 [COMPLETED BUILD]

I don't know... ifnYou already knoted all crowfeets to the stay... how to manage equal tension of them...?
When I did mine, I just pulled them(crowfeets) trough stay, adjust each lenght under individual weight and than secured with CA, made imitation of the crowfeets knots on the stay by using another threads, and finaly painted them all to "running rigging color"..
 
I don't know... ifnYou already knoted all crowfeets to the stay... how to manage equal tension of them...?
When I did mine, I just pulled them(crowfeets) trough stay, adjust each lenght under individual weight and than secured with CA, made imitation of the crowfeets knots on the stay by using another threads, and finaly painted them all to "running rigging color"..
I like your solution better than mine. I knotted 3 high end first for both pairs, then came back and carefully as I could tension second set of thee knots not glued in till I had approximately the right tension. ( Not a good approach however) yours definitely much better.
 
Good day Daniel,
Yes... this area very sensitive even for gentle force applied , and stay could react faster in bowing than crowfeets became strait... in this respect separation of the process, imitation gravity forces with weights and final knots imitation bypassing nattural process will allow somehow to control process... :)))
Here we need some illusion instead of real things... :)
All the Best!
 
Some thoughts abt imitation...
When I passed top sail/ top gallant sails tie trough the hole in the mast , it was fixed using CA, gel in this case...
thus separated aft part of the tie from its fwrd part which knotted to the yard...
and it allowed us don't fitt yard at this stage, but manipulate with tie, tie crowfeets, etc. alone, without yards...reverse natural process lets say :)
Than began all those adjustments with crowfeets lenghts, weights, etc...
And before fixing tie in the mast, need to determine all necessary lenght of crowfeets etc... yard itself will be more handy to fix on the mast by means of metall pin, which will not be visiable, but keeps yard against mast during rigging adjustments...
 
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I searched for the part where Peter Kirsch gives an explanation of the crow-feet.

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The text in German:
Die zahlreichen Hahnepoten haben vielleicht in den Augen der damaligen Seeleute das Prinzip der Elastizität erhöht.
Wie die Takelkunst späterer Zeiten lehrt, wurde ihnen wohl zuviel Bedeutung geschenkt.
Hahnepoten waren bereits den zeitgenössischen Fachleuten als Spielerei bewußt.
Sir Mainwaring* bemerkt lapidar: "Sie haben keinen Zweck, sondern sind nur zur Freude der Bootsmänner da."
Nun war eine große Galeone nicht nur ein rein funktionalis Bauwerk, sondern auch in hohem Maße ein repräsentatives Symbol.
Das zeigt die Ausschmückung mancher Schiffe.
Da ist es nicht verwunderlich, wenn auch die Takler etwas zu einem prachtvollen Erscheinungsbild beitragen wollten und durch ein Gewirr von Takelwerk zumindest die Laien zu beeindrucken suchten.
Eine Galeone verfügte wegen ihrer Größe und ihrer zahlreichen Geschütze über eine Mannschaft, die ausreichte, eine solche Takelung instand zu halten.

Translation
In English:
The numerous crows-feet may have increased the principle of elasticity in the eyes of the sailors of the time.
As the rigging art of later times teaches, they were probably given too much importance.
Crows-feet were already known to contemporary professionals as a gimmick.
Sir Mainwaring* succinctly remarks, "They serve no purpose, but are only there for the pleasure of the sailors."
Now a great galleon was not only a purely functionalis structure, but also to a great extent a representative symbol.
This is shown by the decoration of some ships.
So it is not surprising that the riggers also wanted to contribute something to a splendid appearance and tried to impress at least the laymen by a tangle of rigging.
A galleon, because of its size and numerous guns, had a crew sufficient to maintain such rigging.

In Dutch:
De talrijke kraaienpoten hebben in de ogen van de toenmalige zeelieden wellicht het principe van elasticiteit verhoogd.
Zoals de tuigkunst van later leert, werd er waarschijnlijk te veel belang aan gehecht.
Kraaienpoten waren al bekend bij de toenmalige professionals als een gimmick.
Sir Mainwaring* merkt kort en bondig op: "Ze dienen geen enkel doel, maar zijn er alleen voor het plezier van de zeelieden."
Nu was een groot galjoen niet alleen een puur functioneel bouwwerk, maar ook in hoge mate een representatief symbool.
Dit blijkt uit de versiering van sommige schepen.
Het is dus niet verwonderlijk dat de tuigers ook iets wilden bijdragen aan een schitterend uiterlijk en probeerden door een wirwar van tuigage althans de leken te imponeren.
Een galjoen had, vanwege zijn omvang en talrijke kanonnen, een bemanning die voldoende was om dergelijke tuigage te onderhouden.

*The seaman’s Dictionary Sir Henry Mainwearing 1587-1653 Wiki
 
I searched for the part where Peter Kirsch gives an explanation of the crow-feet.

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The text in German:
Die zahlreichen Hahnepoten haben vielleicht in den Augen der damaligen Seeleute das Prinzip der Elastizität erhöht.
Wie die Takelkunst späterer Zeiten lehrt, wurde ihnen wohl zuviel Bedeutung geschenkt.
Hahnepoten waren bereits den zeitgenössischen Fachleuten als Spielerei bewußt.
Sir Mainwaring* bemerkt lapidar: "Sie haben keinen Zweck, sondern sind nur zur Freude der Bootsmänner da."
Nun war eine große Galeone nicht nur ein rein funktionalis Bauwerk, sondern auch in hohem Maße ein repräsentatives Symbol.
Das zeigt die Ausschmückung mancher Schiffe.
Da ist es nicht verwunderlich, wenn auch die Takler etwas zu einem prachtvollen Erscheinungsbild beitragen wollten und durch ein Gewirr von Takelwerk zumindest die Laien zu beeindrucken suchten.
Eine Galeone verfügte wegen ihrer Größe und ihrer zahlreichen Geschütze über eine Mannschaft, die ausreichte, eine solche Takelung instand zu halten.

Translation
In English:
The numerous crows-feet may have increased the principle of elasticity in the eyes of the sailors of the time.
As the rigging art of later times teaches, they were probably given too much importance.
Crows-feet were already known to contemporary professionals as a gimmick.
Sir Mainwaring* succinctly remarks, "They serve no purpose, but are only there for the pleasure of the sailors."
Now a great galleon was not only a purely functionalis structure, but also to a great extent a representative symbol.
This is shown by the decoration of some ships.
So it is not surprising that the riggers also wanted to contribute something to a splendid appearance and tried to impress at least the laymen by a tangle of rigging.
A galleon, because of its size and numerous guns, had a crew sufficient to maintain such rigging.

In Dutch:
De talrijke kraaienpoten hebben in de ogen van de toenmalige zeelieden wellicht het principe van elasticiteit verhoogd.
Zoals de tuigkunst van later leert, werd er waarschijnlijk te veel belang aan gehecht.
Kraaienpoten waren al bekend bij de toenmalige professionals als een gimmick.
Sir Mainwaring* merkt kort en bondig op: "Ze dienen geen enkel doel, maar zijn er alleen voor het plezier van de zeelieden."
Nu was een groot galjoen niet alleen een puur functioneel bouwwerk, maar ook in hoge mate een representatief symbool.
Dit blijkt uit de versiering van sommige schepen.
Het is dus niet verwonderlijk dat de tuigers ook iets wilden bijdragen aan een schitterend uiterlijk en probeerden door een wirwar van tuigage althans de leken te imponeren.
Een galjoen had, vanwege zijn omvang en talrijke kanonnen, een bemanning die voldoende was om dergelijke tuigage te onderhouden.

*The seaman’s Dictionary Sir Henry Mainwearing 1587-1653 Wiki
Thank you, Stephan, for referencing this article, it is indeed very revealing. Although the amount of gingerbread found on these ships (as beautiful as it is), has always seemed a huge waste of time and money to be placed on a warship.
 
Thank you, Stephan, for referencing this article, it is indeed very revealing. Although the amount of gingerbread found on these ships (as beautiful as it is), has always seemed a huge waste of time and money to be placed on a warship.
Not only a warship! A show-pony to tell the world: we've got it going on over here!
 
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Great work Daniel, especially with the crowsfeet.

You may recall in my log that I had endless trouble getting the tension right. I still haven't reached a point I am happy with. I have some that are OK, some that are a little loose, and some tight enough that they distort the line/stay they are attached to. I remember reading some advice about using 50:50 PVA glue and water with weights and this definately helped, but the use of CA might be better. CA would sure make it stiff but you would have to be super careful applying it with weights in place etc.

I might try it on one set of crowsfeet and see how it goes. I'll let you know.

Regards

PeterG
 
Hello Peter @PeterG, thanks for the complement. I have finished applying the CA to the crow's feet and while not perfect, am generally pleased with the result. What you see here is almost 99% tensioned, and I painted the lines with matte polyurethane to kill the shine from the CA. I will have more adjustments to deal with on the slackness of the draw works above the crow's feet when I've attached the rest of the rigging through the various blocks along the main stays. Another shout out and thanks to @kirill4 for his suggestion.


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Hello Peter @PeterG, thanks for the complement. I have finished applying the CA to the crow's feet and while not perfect, am generally pleased with the result. What you see here is almost 99% tensioned, and I painted the lines with matte polyurethane to kill the shine from the CA. I will have more adjustments to deal with on the slackness of the draw works above the crow's feet when I've attached the rest of the rigging through the various blocks along the main stays. Another shout out and thanks to @kirill4 for his suggestion.


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It looks so nice. I think it must be an excellent work
 
It's my pleasure to introduce my version of the famous Swedish VASA warship. I invite all to join in on this my second major build. My wife's mother was from Sweden and her dad was from Denmark. A few years ago she had the opportunity to visit relatives in Sweden and visited the VASA museum . So she insisted that this ship be my next build. I had intended to take a longer break from ship building (see HMS Fly) however I kept finding myself slowly unpacking and looking /working well you know building on it, so my break lasted all of 10 days. I'll start with unpacking the box and go from there

I had purchased several after market parts sheeve blocks, deck grating. I'll be buying aftermarket rope line as well.
I know all the external figures are plastic which I'm not too happy about but I will be painting them so should not diminish from the end product.
Hope you all enjoy the introduction and following this will be laying of the keel.
Happy modeling!!
Hallo @Daniel20
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