YUANQING BLUENOSE - Peter Voogt [COMPLETED BUILD]

Wow this is impressive stuff, Peter! It is absolutely wonderful to go into this type of research and very rewarding - and frustrating :confused: sometimes - to try and unearth these truths.
 
PT-2 said:
Big . . . or numerous as Saga tells us that there were between 18,000 and 19,000 of those beasties to be shaped, pounded in, and finished off. You are just leaving the pier. Fair Winds and Clam Seas to you. Rich
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You are correct, Rich. A lot of treenails. But the syringe-technic save’s a lot of time. Do drilling, shaping toothpicks, glueing, cutting, sanding.
A lot of respect for those workers on the BN with the real ones!
Regards, Peter
 
Peter Voogt said:
You are correct, Rich. A lot of treenails. But the syringe-technic save’s a lot of time. Do drilling, shaping toothpicks, glueing, cutting, sanding.
A lot of respect for those workers on the BN with the real ones!
Regards, Peter
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I actually think that it was easier to work on the actual schooner than our trying to miniaturize everything. Physical fatigue in 1:1 and mental in our scales.
Rich
 
Heinrich said:
Hello Peter. YuanQing reopens on Monday and then I will ask the test builders about your question. For now I tend to concur with @Dean62 . I would make sure that each frame is fully seated as deep as the notch allows it (after all laser char had been carefully removed). That way I would see what my ultimate line of the frames looks like and where individual adjustments have to be made.
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Hi @Heinrich Heinrich,
I don't know what caused the 1st 4 frames to fit not fit, but from frame 5 the fit on the keel is good.
Regards, Peter
 
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Hi all,
It had been quiet in my report for a while. I had some other things to do.
But for the photo club I'm a member of, we had the assignment: "Abstract photography".
And because I really want to see my 'Cathedral view' of the BN, I decided to use the 'front porch'.
Put them on the working mirror. Like a waterfront. Only the mirror, also as the water, it has a different refractive indexes, so extra blur.
From different angles:
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And just a picture of the frames so far with the treenails:
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So, now it's building time again.
Regards, Peter
 
Pathfinder65 said:
I like your photo shoot. Nice perspective.

Jan
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Thanxs Jan,
I wasn't quite satisfied with the depth of field.
2 more pictures with the keel on the frames.
And some problems:
-what your eyes see in 3D, you camera with 1 lens does not ......... When your eyes are focussed on the frames, your eyes are looking 'around' the keel in the front on top and shows it in only a haze, and the mirror image keel is sharp. But not through the lens ........
-difficult to get everything symmetrical and straight ......
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For the photo club, I have to make more shoots, to get it perfect. But it's nice to experiment with.
And the normal view:
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Regards, Peter
 
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Regardless of your depth of field, etc. great photos. I barely manage to take a good picture with my iPhone, let alone try to crop and edit the pictures. I have a digital camera which was a birthday present last year. It has a good home on a shelf in the front door closet. One look at the instruction manual and all the menu icons was enough. IPhone point and shoot, that’s me. :p:p

Jan
 
Pathfinder65 said:
Regardless of your depth of field, etc. great photos. I barely manage to take a good picture with my iPhone, let alone try to crop and edit the pictures. I have a digital camera which was a birthday present last year. It has a good home on a shelf in the front door closet. One look at the instruction manual and all the menu icons was enough. IPhone point and shoot, that’s me. :p:p

Jan
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Speaking of trennels I just read that during the major days of schooner building for fishing they used the "treenail" trennel below the waterline and plain old iron nails above where there was less exposure. Schooners were short lived and quickly built it seems. Rich
 
PT-2 said:
Speaking of trennels I just read that during the major days of schooner building for fishing they used the "treenail" trennel below the waterline and plain old iron nails above where there was less exposure. Schooners were short lived and quickly built it seems. Rich
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Interesting. You read it in “The American Fishing Schooners”?
I’ll go one with my BN build for sustainability. ;) And stick to the imitation wooden trennels.
Regards, Peter
 
Peter Voogt said:
Interesting. You read it in “The American Fishing Schooners”?
I’ll go one with my BN build for sustainability. ;) And stick to the imitation wooden trennels.
Regards, Peter
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The author, Chapelle, hits Bluenose somewhat hard saying it and the last racing schooners were just that and not designed or set up for fishing. . . well I have found that BN was a working schooner most of the time. Also he chips at Angus Walters stating on page 196 that, "Bluenose was a powerful vessel well able to carry sail in he hands of her captain, who was an aggressive, unsportmanlike, and abusive man, but a prime sailor." From documentaries interviewing men who crewed under Walters they said that they did not question nor delay in obeying his commands and was a highly skilled "long line fisherman (high catch ability) and "not a fish peddler" (mediocre or low catch captain). BN did record the largest return haul of fish back to Lunenberg ever recorded but I cannot quickly find that source.
 
Out of Dean’s build-log (and not to spoil his build-log) about individual narrow deck planking:
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Very well done, of course. I wonder if any other group members will do individually laid planks as well? Then if they really want to follow scale and accuracy they may consider the actual width of 4 inches in scale or upwards to 6 in scale which will be small and slow; increasing that tack to have the after deck planks curved with the bulwarks, not parallel to the keel line but merging toward it, narrowing in the last after quarter. That would be a real hobby fanatic. :) Rich

Wait .......... and see .......;)

But other than that, @Dean62 Dean made a beautiful deck!
Regards, Peter
 
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Peter Voogt said:
Out of Dean’s build-log (and not to spoil his build-log) about individual narrow deck planking:
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Very well done, of course. I wonder if any other group members will do individually laid planks as well? Then if they really want to follow scale and accuracy they may consider the actual width of 4 inches in scale or upwards to 6 in scale which will be small and slow; increasing that tack to have the after deck planks curved with the bulwarks, not parallel to the keel line but merging toward it, narrowing in the last after quarter. That would be a real hobby fanatic. :) Rich

Wait .......... and see .......;)

But other than that, @Dean62 Dean made a beautiful deck!
Regards, Peter
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Thanks Peter, See my build log for the response to this post. It is my understanding the original Bluenose did not have curved deck planks. That was changed on the Bluenose 2. I can provide sources to back this up. As far as board widths go, that’s really more of a cosmetic thing as far as I’m concerned. Some things at scale would not look good. That’s why model manufacturers and model builders use artistic license, as I will continue to do! ;)
 
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Dean62 said:
Thanks Peter, See my build log for the response to this post. It is my understanding the original Bluenose did not have curved deck planks. That was changed on the Bluenose 2. I can provide sources to back this up. As far as board widths go, that’s really more of a cosmetic thing as far as I’m concerned. Some things at scale would not look good. That’s why model manufacturers and model builders use artistic license, as I will continue to do! ;)
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Hi Dean,
About the curved deck planks: I am not that far and I have only seen the ‘impressive’ drawing of the deck of the BN in The BN-II Sage. I have seen you responce. If you have more pictures, perhaps you can send them to me in a PM? Or post them in the ‘story/picture’ thread?
My reply was about the ‘individual narrow deck planking’. That’s a challenge for me, to keep it visual beautiful and straight.
And about details at scale, with the build The Lee, I've had plenty of challenges :) .
Regards, Peter
 
Peter Voogt said:
Hi Dean,
About the curved deck planks: I am not that far and I have only seen the ‘impressive’ drawing of the deck of the BN in The BN-II Sage. I have seen you responce. If you have more pictures, perhaps you can send them to me in a PM? Or post them in the ‘story/picture’ thread?
My reply was about the ‘individual narrow deck planking’. That’s a challenge for me, to keep it visual beautiful and straight.
And about details at scale, with the build The Lee, I've had plenty of challenges :) .
Regards, Peter
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Hi Peter,
See the link below, I think it speaks for itself...


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Philips model of the Schooner "Bluenose" may be perhaps the most accurate representation of the "Bluenose" as she was in 1921 when she was launched and ready for the fishing grounds (entrants of the IFTC were required to be working vessels). He spent many years in researching this project. Much of his time was spent in the Nova Scotia archives and talking with people in the Lunenburg area who sailed on the "Bluenose" along with some of the shipbuilders who were responsible for building her.

The model in the article, and the plans that are for sale, have straight deck planks. But I am not going to spend any more effort trying to defend my position on this. I say everyone is free to build their Bluenose the way they choose. I chose to go with the straight planks, and feel this is correct.

Keep up the great work on your ship, I know she will be a beauty, regardless of how you choose to plank the deck! :)
 
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Dean62 said:
Hi Peter,
See the link below, I think it speaks for itself...


Quote form article:
Philips model of the Schooner "Bluenose" may be perhaps the most accurate representation of the "Bluenose" as she was in 1921 when she was launched and ready for the fishing grounds (entrants of the IFTC were required to be working vessels). He spent many years in researching this project. Much of his time was spent in the Nova Scotia archives and talking with people in the Lunenburg area who sailed on the "Bluenose" along with some of the shipbuilders who were responsible for building her.

The model in the article, and the plans that are for sale, have straight deck planks. But I am not going to spend any more effort trying to defend my position on this. I say everyone is free to build their Bluenose the way they choose. I chose to go with the straight planks, and feel this is correct.

Keep up the great work on your ship, I know she will be a beauty, regardless of how you choose to plank the deck! :)
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Hi Dean,
Thanks for the link. I know that build. On the link-page, there is this link to down-load the pdf-file:
A very impressive build. On page 65 and. 66 of that pdf, the decks.

For me as a Dutch also a nice document, with in the beginnen a inventory of a lot of technical English terms.

PS-1:
Please don’t defend yourself for you choise! No one has to do this!
I am happy we have now (March 22th) 14 build-logs with the outcome of 14 different BN’s.
And witch one is the correct one?
There is only one correct one, and that’s the original BN, who is no more.

So, enough written about deck planks, time to build.
Regards, Peter
 
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