Thanxs Heinrich,Wow this is impressive stuff, Peter! It is absolutely wonderful to go into this type of research and very rewarding - and frustrating sometimes - to try and unearth these truths.
Big . . . or numerous as Saga tells us that there were between 18,000 and 19,000 of those beasties to be shaped, pounded in, and finished off. You are just leaving the pier. Fair Winds and Clam Seas to you. RichThanxs Heinrich,
Yes, and how small things can become big .
Regards, Peter
You are correct, Rich. A lot of treenails. But the syringe-technic save’s a lot of time. Do drilling, shaping toothpicks, glueing, cutting, sanding.Big . . . or numerous as Saga tells us that there were between 18,000 and 19,000 of those beasties to be shaped, pounded in, and finished off. You are just leaving the pier. Fair Winds and Clam Seas to you. Rich
I actually think that it was easier to work on the actual schooner than our trying to miniaturize everything. Physical fatigue in 1:1 and mental in our scales.You are correct, Rich. A lot of treenails. But the syringe-technic save’s a lot of time. Do drilling, shaping toothpicks, glueing, cutting, sanding.
A lot of respect for those workers on the BN with the real ones!
Regards, Peter
Hi @Heinrich Heinrich,Hello Peter. YuanQing reopens on Monday and then I will ask the test builders about your question. For now I tend to concur with @Dean62 . I would make sure that each frame is fully seated as deep as the notch allows it (after all laser char had been carefully removed). That way I would see what my ultimate line of the frames looks like and where individual adjustments have to be made.
Thanxs Jan,I like your photo shoot. Nice perspective.
Jan
Speaking of trennels I just read that during the major days of schooner building for fishing they used the "treenail" trennel below the waterline and plain old iron nails above where there was less exposure. Schooners were short lived and quickly built it seems. RichRegardless of your depth of field, etc. great photos. I barely manage to take a good picture with my iPhone, let alone try to crop and edit the pictures. I have a digital camera which was a birthday present last year. It has a good home on a shelf in the front door closet. One look at the instruction manual and all the menu icons was enough. IPhone point and shoot, that’s me.
Jan
Interesting. You read it in “The American Fishing Schooners”?Speaking of trennels I just read that during the major days of schooner building for fishing they used the "treenail" trennel below the waterline and plain old iron nails above where there was less exposure. Schooners were short lived and quickly built it seems. Rich
The author, Chapelle, hits Bluenose somewhat hard saying it and the last racing schooners were just that and not designed or set up for fishing. . . well I have found that BN was a working schooner most of the time. Also he chips at Angus Walters stating on page 196 that, "Bluenose was a powerful vessel well able to carry sail in he hands of her captain, who was an aggressive, unsportmanlike, and abusive man, but a prime sailor." From documentaries interviewing men who crewed under Walters they said that they did not question nor delay in obeying his commands and was a highly skilled "long line fisherman (high catch ability) and "not a fish peddler" (mediocre or low catch captain). BN did record the largest return haul of fish back to Lunenberg ever recorded but I cannot quickly find that source.Interesting. You read it in “The American Fishing Schooners”?
I’ll go one with my BN build for sustainability. And stick to the imitation wooden trennels.
Regards, Peter
Thanxs Heinrich,Well I am certainly sitting on edge here to see, Peter! I just love the Dutch word ... "benieuwd"!
Thanks Peter, See my build log for the response to this post. It is my understanding the original Bluenose did not have curved deck planks. That was changed on the Bluenose 2. I can provide sources to back this up. As far as board widths go, that’s really more of a cosmetic thing as far as I’m concerned. Some things at scale would not look good. That’s why model manufacturers and model builders use artistic license, as I will continue to do!Out of Dean’s build-log (and not to spoil his build-log) about individual narrow deck planking:
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Very well done, of course. I wonder if any other group members will do individually laid planks as well? Then if they really want to follow scale and accuracy they may consider the actual width of 4 inches in scale or upwards to 6 in scale which will be small and slow; increasing that tack to have the after deck planks curved with the bulwarks, not parallel to the keel line but merging toward it, narrowing in the last after quarter. That would be a real hobby fanatic. Rich
Wait .......... and see .......
But other than that, @Dean62 Dean made a beautiful deck!
Regards, Peter
Hi Dean,Thanks Peter, See my build log for the response to this post. It is my understanding the original Bluenose did not have curved deck planks. That was changed on the Bluenose 2. I can provide sources to back this up. As far as board widths go, that’s really more of a cosmetic thing as far as I’m concerned. Some things at scale would not look good. That’s why model manufacturers and model builders use artistic license, as I will continue to do!
Hi Peter,Hi Dean,
About the curved deck planks: I am not that far and I have only seen the ‘impressive’ drawing of the deck of the BN in The BN-II Sage. I have seen you responce. If you have more pictures, perhaps you can send them to me in a PM? Or post them in the ‘story/picture’ thread?
My reply was about the ‘individual narrow deck planking’. That’s a challenge for me, to keep it visual beautiful and straight.
And about details at scale, with the build The Lee, I've had plenty of challenges .
Regards, Peter
Hi Dean,Hi Peter,
See the link below, I think it speaks for itself...
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Philips model of the Schooner "Bluenose" may be perhaps the most accurate representation of the "Bluenose" as she was in 1921 when she was launched and ready for the fishing grounds (entrants of the IFTC were required to be working vessels). He spent many years in researching this project. Much of his time was spent in the Nova Scotia archives and talking with people in the Lunenburg area who sailed on the "Bluenose" along with some of the shipbuilders who were responsible for building her.
The model in the article, and the plans that are for sale, have straight deck planks. But I am not going to spend any more effort trying to defend my position on this. I say everyone is free to build their Bluenose the way they choose. I chose to go with the straight planks, and feel this is correct.
Keep up the great work on your ship, I know she will be a beauty, regardless of how you choose to plank the deck!