yeah, I saw those pieces in that very thin sheet.
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Hi Jeff,
I know each ship had one wing transom, but I am not familiar with transom wings. I am guessing it may be nomenclature and you are referring to the transoms other than the wing transom such as the deck transom and lower transoms, but if there is something else, I would like to learn more. Thank you.
Allan
You, of course, are correct. The transom wing will be the highest piece I install at this point. along with the lower transoms.Hi Jeff,
I know each ship had one wing transom, but I am not familiar with transom wings. I am guessing it may be nomenclature and you are referring to the transoms other than the wing transom such as the deck transom and lower transoms, but if there is something else, I would like to learn more. Thank you.
Allan
Thank you for educating me.
I'm still learning much of the nomenclature.
Sorry to go off track on your build but you gave me an idea. It can be like learning a foreign language for many of us, There are a lot of dictionary type lists as well as drawings with parts identified in many different books, but it would be great if someone did a simple booklet with perhaps 15 to 25 pages of clear drawings of no particular ship, but with the various parts identified in multiple languages. Do you or any other members following your build know of such a booklet?
Please let me know your thoughts on this.
Thanks Jeff
Allan
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One of the mystery's of this build. Appears kit shows one wing transom. my understanding, the flat piece that fits into timbers at junction between planking tops and transom structure.Hi Jeff,
I know each ship had one wing transom, but I am not familiar with transom wings. I am guessing it may be nomenclature and you are referring to the transoms other than the wing transom such as the deck transom and lower transoms, but if there is something else, I would like to learn more. Thank you.
Allan
It appears the actual ship had two, the first described, if correct, and a second between lower transom planking and window frames, if one can also call it a wing, both exhibiting molding on their outer edging.
This approach is what I think I'm going with, have roughed out both from scratch as well as angled side pieces under windows ending back on hull planking.
This, primarily because the kit pieces appear not proper thickness IMHO.
No problem Allan, Sorry, I don't know of a book that small (15 to 25 pages). I have a couple of illustrated dictionaries (maybe I should use them more!
) but they are much larger. The smaller of the two is 168 pages and the other is over 200. The Illustrated Dictionary of Boating Terms by John Rousmaniere
Paasch's Illustrated Marine Dictionary by Capt H Paasch which was originally published as "From Keel to Truck"
The contemporary framing plan for Enterprise 1774 show she had five transoms, including the wing transom and deck transom. The vertical filler pieces below the lowest transom are not always shown on contemporary plans according to author David Antcherl, which is the case here.
Allan
So far, most of the problems I've had are due to my poor craftsmanship.
Although there are some issues with identifying parts.
Although there are some issues with identifying parts.
Bad terminology on my part…..miss I.D’d it. Apologies
What is proper term for the molded trim piece that sits proud of transom about level with door bottom? This is reference calling for two.Been a long time since transom instillation….wing or otherwise.
I'm now working on removing the char off of the Kelson pieces and trial fitting while the glue dries on gluing the 2 layers of the transom wing (thanks @AllanKP69).
Once the glue is dry, I'll sand the bevels and shape the transom wing and fit then glue it into place. I still have to do the shape sanding on the port hawse assembly as well.
Once the glue is dry, I'll sand the bevels and shape the transom wing and fit then glue it into place. I still have to do the shape sanding on the port hawse assembly as well.
Glad to help Jeff, you owe me one now
Cheers
Sounds like it might be the counter rail. Sketch or mark up the below? Tx
Exactly. Also have been curious why so many examples show perfectly flat transom, yet your image from contract shows obvious curvature.Glad to help Jeff, you owe me one now
Cheers
Sounds like it might be the counter rail. Sketch or mark up the below? Tx
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Sorry to ask but which image? The drawing in post #493 does not show any transoms.
There does seem to be a lot of variation on the lay of the transoms. Looking at contemporary models and plans, transoms were sometimes flat, sometimes rounded, sometimes pointed down slightly while others pointed slightly up. For HMS Enterprise 1774 the round up of the counter and wing transom was 7.5"
50 gun ship Litchfield 1695
HMS Elephant (74) 1786 with nine transoms
Interesting topic. I'm following keenly. The 1:96 version only has a rather unattractive block which replaces a lot of timbers in the transom area. I need to figure a way of replacing it.
Solid blocks are not uncommon at such small scales and if the area is going to be planked over it makes a lot of sense. Then again, some of us are gluttons for punishment and attempt to make all the tiny (and sometimes annoying) pieces, if only for self satisfaction.
Allan
Allan
Understood, but it won't be planked over and the pieces will be large in relation to other smaller parts of the build. So I will endeavour to eliminate the solid bit of the stern.
In the early nineties, before the internet, I made my first proper ship model. I did it from the plans and book 'The Frigate Diana', by David White. I completely winged it and I had absolutely no knowledge of the subject at all. To me the plans at 1:96 seemed big so I reduced by half as I went along. The notion of size is relative. I can't imagine working in 1:48. To me it seems enormous. The only large things I've ever made are the Fleuron battle station 1:48, and the Panart battle station at 1:24? My plan was always to make decreasingly smaller models until I hit my sweet spot which I think is around 1:144 to 1:160.
Images of various builds
ok, I finally got the other set of hawse timbers glued in place and also the transom wing is shaped and installed. Once those dry, I'll work on the Kelson !
