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. The more I learn the more I realize the enormity of what I don't know. But my lack of knowledge does nothing to diminish my enthusiasm 
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. The more I learn the more I realize the enormity of what I don't know. But my lack of knowledge does nothing to diminish my enthusiasm .
Before I could start with determining the lines of the planking I first have reduced what was first part of the bulkhead frame
and later standard on which the model was built.
I have reduced it to what will be later the actual outline of the stem/keel/stern.
BTW this plywood, I call it the keel insert, will later on in the building process be used in several parts, further reduced, that will protrude from the hull a few millimeters and will hold the stem/stern/keel timbers firmly in place while being glued to the model.
With the aid of the stern timber I started with transferring the lines of the two lower including the garboard strake.
With those lines as starting point I have further divided the hull in equal parts.
and later standard on which the model was built.
I have reduced it to what will be later the actual outline of the stem/keel/stern.
BTW this plywood, I call it the keel insert, will later on in the building process be used in several parts, further reduced, that will protrude from the hull a few millimeters and will hold the stem/stern/keel timbers firmly in place while being glued to the model.
With the aid of the stern timber I started with transferring the lines of the two lower including the garboard strake.
With those lines as starting point I have further divided the hull in equal parts.
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Before I pitched the idea in the group here I had started transferring the lines as per let us call it the Shipyard Method. And again the plastic strips come in handy to draw the curved lines on the model.
The port (left) side of the model has now been marked with the lines as per what is called by Mondfeld the Dutch System. Well, not exactly like that system, but my interpretation, very much alike what Dražen Carić (on MSW) and Hans (@Hoosterw on Modelbouwforum) did.
So there it is. I'm still contemplating which method I will be using:
1) the "Shipyard-method" :
2) the "Dutch-method" (I must say, more pleasing to the eye) :
3) or even erase all the lines and go freestyling with let's call it the contemporary "Vasa-method" (it might have been the wisest method at the time to economically use the wood available, but by no means easy to execute)
PS. I invite you to share your ideas as to which method you would prefer. Please disregard my earlier statements regarding the methods, feel free to share your opinion.
1) the "Shipyard-method" :
2) the "Dutch-method" (I must say, more pleasing to the eye) :
3) or even erase all the lines and go freestyling with let's call it the contemporary "Vasa-method" (it might have been the wisest method at the time to economically use the wood available, but by no means easy to execute)
PS. I invite you to share your ideas as to which method you would prefer. Please disregard my earlier statements regarding the methods, feel free to share your opinion.
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Hi Herman. Option 2 looks indeed very nice. How will you make the inbetween joint by that option? I mean in the length of the strokes.
Regards, Peter
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The individual planks will be joined by scarf joints regardless of which planking pattern I ultimataly choose.
Thank you for sharing your opinion. So I will mark that as method 3 for you Bela.
I like more the Dutch method, together with scarf joints it will look great, IMHO.
Hi Herman,
I think the "shipyard" system and Vasa system are most realistic.
I have seen your "shipyard" system in three wreck of ships with a very blunt bow, in this case fluyts of the second half of the 17th century. You will need this type of planking to create this blunt shape.
The vasa planking leads to a more rounded bow shape. You see this also in the planking layout of the Samuel wreck shown below.
7 Provinciën has a rather blunt bow and the choice of the "shipyard" planking will lead to a selection of more straight planks in the bow being the cheaper choice for the shipyard.
I think the "shipyard" system and Vasa system are most realistic.
I have seen your "shipyard" system in three wreck of ships with a very blunt bow, in this case fluyts of the second half of the 17th century. You will need this type of planking to create this blunt shape.
The vasa planking leads to a more rounded bow shape. You see this also in the planking layout of the Samuel wreck shown below.
7 Provinciën has a rather blunt bow and the choice of the "shipyard" planking will lead to a selection of more straight planks in the bow being the cheaper choice for the shipyard.
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So using both would be a possibility, with a story behind it; two possible ways of applying strakes, both feasible, also in the historical context of the 7 Provinciën? The idea intrigues me.
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I would go for the sturdy Vasa look. 3 That's because I like the historical correct methode. Maarten got a point due to the shape of the bow. Pretty blunt. That would for my way of thinking an option.
On the other hand like Ptèr mentioning version 2 is a good choice if you want to have a ship with good looks. I think Paul use this method on the Vasa of him. It gives the model a fancy look. On my Prins Willem is the same netto used.
On the other hand like Ptèr mentioning version 2 is a good choice if you want to have a ship with good looks. I think Paul use this method on the Vasa of him. It gives the model a fancy look. On my Prins Willem is the same netto used.
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Hi Paul
Do you also have the planking expansion for the other side of the Vasa?
I am now leaning towards that method. On the one hand it might be more historically correct and more interesting but on the other hand it will not be easy to form all the planks of different sizes into one whole and it will definitely take up a lot more time to accomplish. As I am building from scratch I am not limited to the use of fixed widths of supplied wooden strips and I still have to make the planks for the hull.
I would appreciate it very much if you (or somebody else) can provide me with the starboard side of the planking expansion.
Hi Paul
Do you also have the planking expansion for the other side of the Vasa?
I am now leaning towards that method. On the one hand it might be more historically correct and more interesting but on the other hand it will not be easy to form all the planks of different sizes into one whole and it will definitely take up a lot more time to accomplish. As I am building from scratch I am not limited to the use of fixed widths of supplied wooden strips and I still have to make the planks for the hull.
I would appreciate it very much if you (or somebody else) can provide me with the starboard side of the planking expansion.
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Sorry Herman, I sent the only information I have.
I see that Stephan found something, but I have never seen that before. Eva Marie Stolt created one of the first belay maps as well as the ship plans (once offered by the museum) so she knows what she is talking about... To my knowledge the museum only produced the full planking expansion for one side of the ship (based on an exchange with Dr. Hocker). I have his personal email so I'll ask him to be sure...
Of course, you are not building the Vasa so the combination of what I sent and what Stephan sent should at least introduce you to the style.
I don't think anyone who has an interest in these Dutch built ships will be surprised to learn that the Vasa is wonderfully asymmetric. I think about 10 inches different in height port to starboard along with other anomalies!
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I agree with Paul, you can't copy, because the shape of the hull is not the same. Set out the second method you mentioned out on the hull. Only without stealers. Like the planking on the Prins Willem of me. Then past the planking patern of the Vasa in that patern created on the ship. You will come a whole way when you do so. Just take different wide planks and fit them in keeping method 2 in your mind for the direction.
This will be fun doing.
This will be fun doing.
Thank you Stephan.
You shared it in the past on an other forum and I had it saved then on my computer for future reference.