Hello Herrmann, great work, I'm always thrilled.
Many thanks for your generous comments and likes @Peter Voogt @Steef66 @Hubac’s Historian @dockattner @NMBROOK @shota70 @RDN1954 @Uwek @Tobias @Hoss6262 and all others for visiting my build log. Much appreciated and also valued as an extra motivation to push on.
@Hoss6262 The approach was also copied by me, but I am glad that you like it and this approach is passed on to you and all others on this forum who can use it.
@Hoss6262 The approach was also copied by me, but I am glad that you like it and this approach is passed on to you and all others on this forum who can use it.
Next phase in this build will be planking the hull below the wales.
This phase can't be completed without already incorporating other parts of the build:
- the stern beam - before installation of the 2 lower planks (including the garboard plank
- the keel in combination with the stem
- the lower wales - before final installing of the stem
- the gunports - before final installing of the wales
As Dutch shipbuilding in the 17th century wasn't well-defined, there is a lot of freedom to choose how to plank the hull. Maybe the most historically correct would be the somewhat chaotic planking by using the wood in the size available at that moment, as seen on the hull of the Vasa, built by a Dutch shipwright.
I hope the shipwright Salomon Janszn van den Tempel was granted a somewhat larger budget for building "'s Lands Grote Schip", later to be named "De 7 Provinciën". I doubt it, but, honestly, I do prefer to do the planking in a somewhat more structured way.
Building was done shell-first, as seen in the very informative threads of @Maarten and @Steef66. The bottom planking will be done with planks of equal width.
I have seen several ways to plank the hull of this ship but I am inclined to base my choice on basis of stern planking of the somewhat contemporary model of the vessel named "William Rex" as seen in the Amsterdam Rijksmuseum.
And on basis of the 1:10 model of De 7 Provinciën in historical museum Batavialand.
This phase can't be completed without already incorporating other parts of the build:
- the stern beam - before installation of the 2 lower planks (including the garboard plank
- the keel in combination with the stem
- the lower wales - before final installing of the stem
- the gunports - before final installing of the wales
As Dutch shipbuilding in the 17th century wasn't well-defined, there is a lot of freedom to choose how to plank the hull. Maybe the most historically correct would be the somewhat chaotic planking by using the wood in the size available at that moment, as seen on the hull of the Vasa, built by a Dutch shipwright.
I hope the shipwright Salomon Janszn van den Tempel was granted a somewhat larger budget for building "'s Lands Grote Schip", later to be named "De 7 Provinciën". I doubt it, but, honestly, I do prefer to do the planking in a somewhat more structured way.
Building was done shell-first, as seen in the very informative threads of @Maarten and @Steef66. The bottom planking will be done with planks of equal width.
I have seen several ways to plank the hull of this ship but I am inclined to base my choice on basis of stern planking of the somewhat contemporary model of the vessel named "William Rex" as seen in the Amsterdam Rijksmuseum.
And on basis of the 1:10 model of De 7 Provinciën in historical museum Batavialand.
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Hello Heinrich. I have this book in my possession.
But if you mean that I should study his instructions/drawings.. there is but one, very limited drawing depicting the planking of the hull beneath the wales:
Also none of the drawings of O.Blom show the structure of the planking below the wales.
The planking of the stern as per Dik is not conform those of the Wiliam Rex / 7P in Batavialand. But which one would be the correct one?
Also Dik's interpretation in his drawing of the reinforced part of the hull protecting it from harm from the anchor is questionable. One of the contemporary drawings of Van de Velde seems to show a larger reinforcement between the lower wales and as per the drawings of Blom that larger reinforcement also continues underneath the lower wale.
As extensively discussed the building of a 17th century Dutch ship is always open for discussion and unavoidable free interpretation.
But if somebody has more solid information as to how the planking of this stern would have been done I am always open for suggestions, but I am inclined to follow the example of the 1:10 model.
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Why don‘t you use the planking method used for the pinas which is shown in Den Helder? I know that it is the wreck of a much smaler ship but it is a primary source.
I think I will mark the hull with both the first "shipyard" method on one side and design something like what Mondfeld describes in his book "Historic Shipmodels" as the Dutch method
on the other side and share it with you.
on the other side and share it with you.
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Hello Herman
I wasn't in the least suggesting that you should follow Dik's interpretation - I was merely enquiring whether you have the book. If you did not have it, I was going to send you a copy.
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It may be A primary source of A pinas, but that hardly qualifies it as an example to follow of how the 7P was planked.
Beitrag im Thread „DE 7 PROVINCIËN (1665) 1:50“ https://shipsofscale.com/sosforums/threads/de-7-provinciËn-1665-1-50.9461/post-332738
Was ist Pauls Vasa-Methode? Gibt es einen Link?
Was ist Pauls Vasa-Methode? Gibt es einen Link?
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Vasa - 1:65 DeAgostini [COMPLETED BUILD]
Editorial note added following the completion of this build: This build report is crazy long - unhelpfully so. If you're not interested in all the details and just want to see how it all turned out use this link to see the final result: Final Images. If that sparks your interest and you want to...
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Hi Herman,
I have attached a planking expansion taken from the actual ship (Vasa). FYI: the other side is completely different. I understand you will add more 'structure' to the planking pattern but I at least wanted to share what I have.
I have attached a planking expansion taken from the actual ship (Vasa). FYI: the other side is completely different. I understand you will add more 'structure' to the planking pattern but I at least wanted to share what I have.
No problem Heinrich. That is a very nice offer, but as I said I have the book. In my first post in this thread i wrote that my father left it to me. He was one of the first group of people who signed up for this book, so he is amongst the people listed in the back of it, giving it extra meaning to me.
What a coincidence, Herman: I am also listed, on page 212. Was in Amsterdam by the outcome of the book. Henk de Velde, the solo-around-the-world-sailer was presenting the first prints.
But I didn't get around to building the 7P. I am now following your progress with even more interest.
Regards, Peter
Thank you Paul. After I read the post of Stephan I did go over the applicable part of your Vasa-thread, posted before I joined SoS. You encountered your share of problems, all overcome and with great result. Have you ever considered at that time to imitate the planking pattern on the actual ship?
Nope. Don't forget - the Vasa was my first ship model and at that point I didn't know what I was doing and why I was doing it...
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Do you know it now?
Do you know it now?