Looks really great Herrmann 
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Very clean and accurate work - Good to see you back on work
I have decided to first install the slotted planks on the deckbeams.
This looks flawless Herrmann, great.
Both elements had to be slightly adjusted to fit the model. Not yet glued to the model as making the gratings will be easier when these elements can be taken apart.
I have started with the gratings, but not completely happy with the planks. I think I will first make a jig for handmade planks as I have to make 169 of them and about 70 slotted deckbeams. That will keep me busy for a while.
I have started with the gratings, but not completely happy with the planks. I think I will first make a jig for handmade planks as I have to make 169 of them and about 70 slotted deckbeams. That will keep me busy for a while.
....building a Duch ship makes me scratch hairs on my head... Very precise notches @Herman and awesome job!
Superb work Herman, those look fantastic
Kind Regards
Nigel
Kind Regards
Nigel
I am now in the process of making my first gratings.
The first somewhat acceptable grating is finished. In all honesty I must admit I have earned several redo-points, Not yet completely happy with the result but I am getting the hang of it. This grating was actually made from a piece of wood that was just a bit too small in width but used with the intention too look if my latest method, producing them on my tablesaw, could become successful. A method I have read bout in several building logs and is described in the book "The Art of Ship Modeling". This method turns out to be ok. A milling machine might give better results but I will refine my tablesaw method for now.
I have unintentionally made this task more difficult as the gratings will have to fit into the slotted deckbeams.
On this deck alone, still 12 more gratings to go. I will learn on the way and am convinced the result will get better with experience and if so I will also redo this first grating.
The first somewhat acceptable grating is finished. In all honesty I must admit I have earned several redo-points, Not yet completely happy with the result but I am getting the hang of it. This grating was actually made from a piece of wood that was just a bit too small in width but used with the intention too look if my latest method, producing them on my tablesaw, could become successful. A method I have read bout in several building logs and is described in the book "The Art of Ship Modeling". This method turns out to be ok. A milling machine might give better results but I will refine my tablesaw method for now.
I have unintentionally made this task more difficult as the gratings will have to fit into the slotted deckbeams.
On this deck alone, still 12 more gratings to go. I will learn on the way and am convinced the result will get better with experience and if so I will also redo this first grating.
I think your grids are really good. You just want to make it perfect, I know that feeling. 
Yup. I'm with those guys...
Ditto.
The grating is looking very good, and with teh step by step made experience they will get even better.
I have one question.
Were these gratings on the original ship removable? Than you would need the grating with the frame, so not the grid is laying in notches
Here and original grating - the red marked area (grid with frame) is removable
somehow it would look on your model
I know - barely visible in the lower gundecks - just a question
Will you make with a knife some cuts to imagine the frames?
I have one question.
Were these gratings on the original ship removable? Than you would need the grating with the frame, so not the grid is laying in notches
Here and original grating - the red marked area (grid with frame) is removable
somehow it would look on your model
I know - barely visible in the lower gundecks - just a question
Will you make with a knife some cuts to imagine the frames?
Looking good Herman. I would be tempted to make them slightly over height then drop into the model and fair the top face to the combing.
Kind regards
Nigel
Kind regards
Nigel
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right observation Uwe, I agree with yours
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Blom writes this:
translation:
Gratings
The gratings can be said to consist of transverse beams, into which slots are inserted that lie lengthwise. The battens are therefore half as thick as the beams. The openings are 9 x 9 cm. or at scale 1:77 1.1 mm. The beams and battens also have this width.
Where the gratings have to be taken out a lot, for example at the main hatch, they are provided with a frame made up of sections. On the other hatches, the beams rest in carved openings in the shear poles and the laths in openings in sections on the beams.
And I think when they are ready and correct, Herman will sand the surface til they are equal to the beams.
translation:
Gratings
The gratings can be said to consist of transverse beams, into which slots are inserted that lie lengthwise. The battens are therefore half as thick as the beams. The openings are 9 x 9 cm. or at scale 1:77 1.1 mm. The beams and battens also have this width.
Where the gratings have to be taken out a lot, for example at the main hatch, they are provided with a frame made up of sections. On the other hatches, the beams rest in carved openings in the shear poles and the laths in openings in sections on the beams.
And I think when they are ready and correct, Herman will sand the surface til they are equal to the beams.
Hi Herman. I had to read a lot to be with again. Good to see you are building again. And when you know when you got your retirement, time will go faster. Although, that’s my experience.
The gratings and the beams looks very nice. Well done!
Regards, Peter
The gratings and the beams looks very nice. Well done!
Regards, Peter
First of all, thank you all for watching and expressing your appreciation, for the feedback and Stephan for Blom's description/translation.
@Uwe
The gratings must have been removable. Either lifting the gratings out of a frame or out of notches, both must have been possible.
I am following largely the drawings of Otte Blom :
Blom does show gratings with a frame, but only on the lower gundeck :
Maybe it is a typical Dutch construction. Vasa (built by a Dutch shipwright) also shows this type of constuction:
And on the contemporary Hohenzollern model of a Dutch twodecker :
On these pictures you can also see that the Dutch at that time might have had a more simple method of constructing the gratings themselves unlike the English (also described as such by Witsen). The longitudal battens were simply fastened to the beams without or with only very shallow notches in the supporting beams.
Further detail drawings of Blom show gratings of the larger hatches even divided into 2 parts supported by a removable beam in the middle. I must say his drawings are not all consistent, some show 13 longitudinal battens, some 2x7 +the removable beam (makes 15) and an other (2nd in this post) even 16.
On top the gratings on the "verdek", below that the gratings on the "geschutsoverloop" the gundeck.
The model William Rex shows an other type of construction, but that is a late seventeenth century model, built about 35 years later than the 7 Provinciën was completed.
So, what is correct? As there are no contemporary shipwright's drawings of those Dutch ships we have only the guidelines by Witsen, these temporary models and the drawings/paintings by the marine artists like the Willem van de Veldes.
@Uwe
The gratings must have been removable. Either lifting the gratings out of a frame or out of notches, both must have been possible.
I am following largely the drawings of Otte Blom :
Blom does show gratings with a frame, but only on the lower gundeck :
Maybe it is a typical Dutch construction. Vasa (built by a Dutch shipwright) also shows this type of constuction:
And on the contemporary Hohenzollern model of a Dutch twodecker :
On these pictures you can also see that the Dutch at that time might have had a more simple method of constructing the gratings themselves unlike the English (also described as such by Witsen). The longitudal battens were simply fastened to the beams without or with only very shallow notches in the supporting beams.
Further detail drawings of Blom show gratings of the larger hatches even divided into 2 parts supported by a removable beam in the middle. I must say his drawings are not all consistent, some show 13 longitudinal battens, some 2x7 +the removable beam (makes 15) and an other (2nd in this post) even 16.
On top the gratings on the "verdek", below that the gratings on the "geschutsoverloop" the gundeck.
The model William Rex shows an other type of construction, but that is a late seventeenth century model, built about 35 years later than the 7 Provinciën was completed.
So, what is correct? As there are no contemporary shipwright's drawings of those Dutch ships we have only the guidelines by Witsen, these temporary models and the drawings/paintings by the marine artists like the Willem van de Veldes.
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