french 64-gunner LE FLEURON in scale 1:48 by Joachim

Hello, I decided to make „only“ iron canons in the first deck. The advantage in my opinion is: The average canon is with 24 pound larger than the alternativ with a mixture of 24 pound bronze and 18 iron pound canons. I think that looks better and I don’t need the decorations on the bronze canons :)
 
Concerning the Fleuron canons and their number I have a question. Maybe Gerarard can help.
The Fleuron is called a 64 gun ship. On the first deck there are 24 canons. On the second deck 26. On upper decks we have 10. All together 60 canons.
Where are the other four canons?
I read, that only in war time there are 12 canons on the Upper Decks instead of 10. So we have 62 canons.

Does anybody know, where are canon 63 and 64?
Thank you
 
Joachim said:
Concerning the Fleuron canons and their number I have a question. Maybe Gerarard can help.
The Fleuron is called a 64 gun ship. On the first deck there are 24 canons. On the second deck 26. On upper decks we have 10. All together 60 canons.
Where are the other four canons?
I read, that only in war time there are 12 canons on the Upper Decks instead of 10. So we have 62 canons.

Does anybody know, where are canon 63 and 64?
Thank you
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My interpretation as per the monograph:
The model is shown in its original configuration for the "Grand Banc campaign" in May 1732. Armed with 60 guns. This campaign was the ship's first campaign (page 23 of the monograph). It was ranked as a 64-gun ship but may well have never been fitted as such.

Although the original plans and theoretical description show.
Page 8
The ship is fitted with:
First deck - 12 x 24 pdr = 24
Second deck - 13 x 12 pdr = 26
The rest of the armament :
Forecastle - 2 x 6 pdr = 4
Quarterdeck - 5 x 6 pdr = 10 ("The arrangements on the quarterdeck implies that the last 2 guns (per side) be placed in sleeping quarters, which would be condemned during war-time."
24 + 26 + 4 + 10 = 64

Page 10 of the monograph
The original draught shows 5 openings on the quarterdeck: 2 x 2 of which would be located in the stern lodging area. So the total on this deck could be 10 on the sides.

Page 30
Plate 1 of the plans (defining the hull): the same drawing is shown - 5 openings on the quarterdeck x 2 = 10 ports

Page 113
The number of ports is confirmed in the section "division and proportions of the guns ports" (part of original table of scantlings).

The chase ports are not included in the ranking: a 64-gun ship, so the ship would have been fitted with 66 ports, if ever........ which seems unlikely.

G
 
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Joachim said:
Concerning the Fleuron canons and their number I have a question. Maybe Gerarard can help.
The Fleuron is called a 64 gun ship. On the first deck there are 24 canons. On the second deck 26. On upper decks we have 10. All together 60 canons.
Where are the other four canons?
I read, that only in war time there are 12 canons on the Upper Decks instead of 10. So we have 62 canons.
Does anybody know, where are canon 63 and 64?
Thank you
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Hello

In the counting of the ports, I think that you forget the two "masked" ports of the quarterdeck. They are clearly visible on the elevation of the frame.
These ports are closed in peacetime (very rare in the 18th century!) and therefore open in wartime. It is a choice to adopt for you, knowing that in peacetime the weapons are landed to make space for the officers' rooms and kept in the arsenals.

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GD
 
Ahoy!

Joachim wrote.........
And my carving course continued: The figurehead takes shape. Without my master Mr. Zimmermann, I could probably not carve a whole figure in this quality. He is an absolute professional, restored church decorations, church figures, antique furniture and is thrilled by the Fleuron. We have carved faces in the course before and that alone is definitely 100 steps. Such a figure is even more complex than just a face. Clothes, arms, shoes, etc. Next time, he gets the finishing touch and then he will take a seat at the bow :) I'm curious.
The figure is made out of boxwood. The wood is so hard that you can hardly carve it with normal carving knives. They almost do not go into the wood and are quickly dull. That's why we also use a micro mill. The interim result came after six hours of work. Boxwood is slightly yellowish and goes great with the reddish pear tree.
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Joachim@ - wonderful hand-made. I envy to you. Unfortunately, I can't sculpture like that. Only computer and CNC tools :-(

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Your workmanship is magnificent. A good skill to have with todays technology to help you out.

But to use the tools you must have a vision of what you want in the end and yours is a grand vision.
 
I continue working on the first cannon deck. A large “piece of wood” is placed at the inside of the bow, which also stiffens the bow and on which the deck planks will run. At first I took the contours with a paper template again. Then the edge planks from the floor are placed. Cutouts for deck beams and other cutouts are milled. After that I am planking the inside walls of the first canon deck.

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