Grants Xebec 1:60 (using Jabeque Cazador Occre1:60 kit) [COMPLETED BUILD]

[GrantTyler]

Now this is getting really interesting; modifying the hull lines.
Did you do any 3D surface modeling, to see how she'll look with your changes implemented?
There are examples around of beautifully lofted surfaces being modified for one purpose or another and turning out to be just a little bit off. Look for instance at the Jumbojet's stretched upper deck of the later versions, not really bad looking but esthetically not as appealing as the original upper deck. (My opinion, of course...)
Anxiously anticipating your future updates.

Good morning Johan. I am taking a flyer at this. The modifications are relatively small 20mm length and more designed to angle the rudder, give the upper stern bulwarks more angled and sleeker lines and curve the wales more. No 3D or specific design....this shipwright is working by creative vision. I do know I'm either
going to love it or toss it. This we will find out at a point.

The theory is looking very good, Grant! I have no doubt that the practice will follow suit!

Good afternnon Heinrich. Thank you. The practice part Im not too sure of tho..... We will have to find this out...

I understand the green lines for your hullplanking. It is possible, keep in mind this is a mid-18th century vessel. The curvature of the wales are a bit less comparing to say early 17th century ships. However, it's still possible to do so. The natural curve of the bulkheads allready follows your green lines a bit...

Good afternoon Peter. Thanks for this. Every photo I see of your Cazador just shows how beautifully crafted your Xebec is. In the instructions they appear a lot more linear. I see on your Cazador there is a curve in the wales and the gunports. I think the changes I am doing will accentuate this a little more. I need to relook my measurements and check it does not make this too curved. It will look rather silly. I have been sent some documents from Frank which gives a design for an Italian Xebec from a slightly earlier period than the Cazador and I will check these out tonight and see if I need to change my thought process. My wood working skills are not up to trying to replicate a specific vessel rather I'm just making a Xebec by choosing certain aspects from various designs. I'm going to keep it simple though. Too much will end up a disaster and result in tossing my Xebec into the bin. Cheers Grant

 

[GrantTyler]

Good morning Grant. You made my day starting well. I like this kind of building ‘out of the box’. AL-FI says: Yes. François introduced in his build-log ‘Builder’s Leeway’. So BL-AL-FI says also: YES.
Regards, Peter

Good afternoon Peter. BL-AL-FI. Yes I'm going for it. Got a little more thinking to do now after Peter (@Ptèr ) post. Cheers Grant

 

[Ptèr]

I need to relook my measurements and check it does not make this too curved. It will look rather silly.

This is exactly what you need to check. Curved okay, overdo the curve and it will look weird. Keep in mind that the Xebec's evolved from Galley's. Long sleek ships with little to none curvature in the middle section.....

 

[GrantTyler]

This is exactly what you need to check. Curved okay, overdo the curve and it will look weird. Keep in mind that the Xebec's evolved from Galley's. Long sleek ships with little to none curvature in the middle section.....

True story... thanks Peter.

 

[dockattner]

Well, curved IS sexy Grant so maybe you'll accomplish your goal after all!

 

[Ptèr]

What really keeps your mind going is the question if a Xebec had some lights on the stern or not and if so, what did they looked like....

 

[RDN1954]

This is exactly what you need to check. Curved okay, overdo the curve and it will look weird. Keep in mind that the Xebec's evolved from Galley's. Long sleek ships with little to none curvature in the middle section.....

What's possibly worth checking, prior to planking, is that no unexpected, undesirable convex/concave transitions occur. Those could manifest themselves in all directions.

 

[RDN1954]

What really keeps your mind going is the question if a Xebec had some lights on the stern or not and if so, what did they looked like....

No doubt in my mind that they had lights at the stern, maybe similar to the venetian gondela lanterns of that period?
I suspect they also had a few lanterns below decks...

 

[Dean62]

My Xebec has lights on the stern.

 

[RDN1954]

My Xebec has lights on the stern.

 

[GrantTyler]

Well, curved IS sexy Grant so maybe you'll accomplish your goal after all!

Good morning Paul. Yep but the curves all need to be in the right places . I’ve spent last night looking at some designs Frank sent me and I’m luckily not too far off in my plans. My changes are subtle so nothing too outrageous

What really keeps your mind going is the question if a Xebec had some lights on the stern or not and if so, what did they looked like....

Good morning Peter. I have not come across one with Lanterns yet. Thinking of Spanish or French ships and naval practice of the era it is surprising that they do not have lanterns.

What's possibly worth checking, prior to planking, is that no unexpected, undesirable convex/concave transitions occur. Those could manifest themselves in all directions.

Good morning Johan. True story and great advice. I will run a plank over each bulkhead and check. It would be sad to see those convex/concave lines appearing. It looks good to the eye but will double check.

My Xebec has lights on the stern.

Good morning Dean. Did you add these yourself. As I mentioned to Peter is makes sense considering the naval practices back then, but I have not seen any Lanterns on drawings. At this stage Grants Xebec is going to be in the dark.

 

[Dean62]

Good morning Dean. Did you add these yourself. As I mentioned to Peter is makes sense considering the naval practices back then, but I have not seen any Lanterns on drawings. At this stage Grants Xebec is going to be in the dark.

Yes, I added my lights. I felt like they were missing. So I used Artistic License.

 

[Steef66]

Bit late, happy birthday, hope you got a great day.
And now I follow this great build.

 

[shota70]

I almost missed this one, almost...You’re making great progress It’s looking great.
I am glad to see that you are running on the Cazador, and happy Birthday Dear Grant

 

[GrantTyler]

Bit late, happy birthday, hope you got a great day.
And now I follow this great build.

I almost missed this one, almost...You’re making great progress It’s looking great.
I am glad to see that you are running on the Cazador, and happy Birthday Dear Grant

Good morning Stephan and Shota. Thank you very kindly.Cheers Grant

 

[GrantTyler]

Good morning

Ricochet Rabbit Grant- I am looking at how to change the bulkwarks. The kit has 2 gun port lids per port. In all my research I have not seen a Xebec with this configuration.


I most certainly want one lid per port. These will be open while the oar ports will stay closed.

Modifications required :

I cut out the cannon ports from the kit bulkwarks and am keeping them as one unit.

When placing them as single gunport lids the lid covers the oar ports

I know my limitations and to recut each little oar port accurately would be a clown show.

I decided to rather simulate these adjusted oar ports (Closed) as I plank the bulkwarks using just the lime 0.6mm strips.

I cut the lime to the length of the new port position. Using the width of the lime plank, I just left a gap the size of the oar port. I place the gun port lid to ensure all is correct.


I cut out the oar port lid from the lime plank (I just used the width of the plank- was so close to the actual size (as you can see from in the above photo). I Had some luck here.

Each oar port cover is lined with pencil so these will be identified and not lost in translation.
Result so far :


I will be changing the last 3 gun ports to match the curve of the deck line which flows all the way to the transom of the upper deck. See the curve of each veneer plank which creates this line.

Cheers Grant

 

[Ptèr]

That's a great modification Grant. I did not replace the position of the oar ports and so the gun port lids do partly cover the oar ports, so great alteration from your part! I also keep the gun port lids as one and just cover the whole with veneer.

I like your approach to the lid part....keep up the great work...

 

[RDN1954]

Good morning

Ricochet Rabbit Grant- I am looking at how to change the bulkwarks. The kit has 2 gun port lids per port. In all my research I have not seen a Xebec with this configuration.

View attachment 356832
I most certainly want one lid per port. These will be open while the oar ports will stay closed.

Modifications required :

I cut out the cannon ports from the kit bulkwarks and am keeping them as one unit.

When placing them as single gunport lids the lid covers the oar ports
View attachment 356847
I know my limitations and to recut each little oar port accurately would be a clown show.

I decided to rather simulate these adjusted oar ports (Closed) as I plank the bulkwarks using just the lime 0.6mm strips.

I cut the lime to the length of the new port position. Using the width of the lime plank, I just left a gap the size of the oar port. I place the gun port lid to ensure all is correct.

View attachment 356835
I cut out the oar port lid from the lime plank (I just used the width of the plank- was so close to the actual size (as you can see from in the above photo). I Had some luck here.

Each oar port cover is lined with pencil so these will be identified and not lost in translation.
Result so far :
View attachment 356852

I will be changing the last 3 gun ports to match the curve of the deck line which flows all the way to the transom of the upper deck. See the curve of each veneer plank which creates this line.

Cheers Grant

Very nice touch to have single piece gunports.
Moving the oar ports; oar ports means oars means rowing banks? Do you now also have to move the rowing banks, or aren't there any?

 

[Heinrich]

Clever innovation with regards to the oar ports Grant. I fully agree -trying to cut those small square oar ports can only spell one thing - unless you adopt my pumice stone method to square the ports. But that would need a pumice stone cut/grind down to the exact dimensions.

 

[Dean62]

Good morning

Ricochet Rabbit Grant- I am looking at how to change the bulkwarks. The kit has 2 gun port lids per port. In all my research I have not seen a Xebec with this configuration.

View attachment 356832
I most certainly want one lid per port. These will be open while the oar ports will stay closed.

Modifications required :

I cut out the cannon ports from the kit bulkwarks and am keeping them as one unit.

When placing them as single gunport lids the lid covers the oar ports
View attachment 356847
I know my limitations and to recut each little oar port accurately would be a clown show.

I decided to rather simulate these adjusted oar ports (Closed) as I plank the bulkwarks using just the lime 0.6mm strips.

I cut the lime to the length of the new port position. Using the width of the lime plank, I just left a gap the size of the oar port. I place the gun port lid to ensure all is correct.

View attachment 356835
I cut out the oar port lid from the lime plank (I just used the width of the plank- was so close to the actual size (as you can see from in the above photo). I Had some luck here.

Each oar port cover is lined with pencil so these will be identified and not lost in translation.
Result so far :
View attachment 356852

I will be changing the last 3 gun ports to match the curve of the deck line which flows all the way to the transom of the upper deck. See the curve of each veneer plank which creates this line.

Cheers Grant

Great solution Grant!