I love this post, Uwe. Another cut of a model!
From now on it will definitely be running through your mind: When ....... When .... When.... Until you give in.
Regards, Peter
HMS GRANADO - full hull - POF kit by CAF in 1:48 - by Uwe
From now on it will definitely be running through your mind: When ....... When .... When.... Until you give in.
Regards, Peter
Uwe,
I now have some time to review your Build - and - your work is simply amazing. You are an inspiration for me to achieve better results with my models !!
I now have some time to review your Build - and - your work is simply amazing. You are an inspiration for me to achieve better results with my models !!
Great work Uwe. IMHO you really need to follow the approach of the Leighton model and have the cut flush with the base of the lower wale.The other option is far less aesthetically pleasing.
This really will require clever thought as the design of the ship doesn't easily lend itself to it.
Kind Regards
Nigel
This really will require clever thought as the design of the ship doesn't easily lend itself to it.
Kind Regards
Nigel
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Encouragement from a totally unexpected corner...I love this post, Uwe. Another cut of a model!
From now on it will definitely be running through your mind: When ....... When .... When.... Until you give in.
Regards, Peter
Hi Uwe, a trip back into memory lane.
I think you have to look at the flow of the lower wale compared to the fow of the deck clamp.
As Nigel mentioned I agree that cutting below the wale is most pleasing but then you have to be care not to saw through the deck clamps suppporting your deck beams.
I had to cut in the bow slightly below the wale for this reason.
Post in thread 'Hms Alert by Maarten' https://shipsofscale.com/sosforums/threads/hms-alert-by-maarten.6097/post-154943
I think you have to look at the flow of the lower wale compared to the fow of the deck clamp.
As Nigel mentioned I agree that cutting below the wale is most pleasing but then you have to be care not to saw through the deck clamps suppporting your deck beams.
I had to cut in the bow slightly below the wale for this reason.
Post in thread 'Hms Alert by Maarten' https://shipsofscale.com/sosforums/threads/hms-alert-by-maarten.6097/post-154943
Maarten mentions something that had also crossed my mind.Wonder if somehow the deck, beams and clamps can be built into the upper section to slot into the lower or stand proud in the lower section but still maintain a full wale on the upper??
Just throwing some ideas out there......
Kind Regards
Nigel
Just throwing some ideas out there......
Kind Regards
Nigel
Hello Uwe wonderful work, I have to catch up on the last few days of your report, the progress was no longer displayed to me. Your intention to make a longitudinal section as shown in the pictures above is a house number. I already admired this when @Maarten built the Alert. I agree with Nigel ( @NMBROOK ) that it is very difficult to keep the aesthetic of the torso, I hope you already have a plan and I wish you the best of luck. I am very excited.
First of all - many many thanks to everybody particpating in the brainstorming procedure, giving hints and tips and advise
Much appreciated
I hope, that during the next weekend I will have the chance to play a little bit and come closer to decisions related to the hull cutting
Much appreciated
I hope, that during the next weekend I will have the chance to play a little bit and come closer to decisions related to the hull cutting
Sorry Frank, but I do not understand your question, but maybe with the next progress photos it is answered or clarified
In the photos of my post #337 the notches of the carlings were not prepared - important at the end is the alignment, so that the carlings are as parallel as possible
on the right 4 beams and carlings prepared, the left still not
the notches are 2*2mm
finaly the distances of the 6 beams have to be adjusted - important also here: the notches have to be in one line, so that there are rectangle angles and parallel
everything prepared for final fixing with glue
Many Thanks for your interest .... to be continued ......
on the right 4 beams and carlings prepared, the left still not
the notches are 2*2mm
finaly the distances of the 6 beams have to be adjusted - important also here: the notches have to be in one line, so that there are rectangle angles and parallel
everything prepared for final fixing with glue
Many Thanks for your interest .... to be continued ......
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The next working step - installation of the carlings with 2*2mm stripes
and the dry fit inside the hull
step by step - Laboriously the squirrel lives
The next are the laying knees and the carlings attached to the knees
Many Thanks for your interest .... to be continued
and the dry fit inside the hull
step by step - Laboriously the squirrel lives
The next are the laying knees and the carlings attached to the knees
Many Thanks for your interest .... to be continued
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Hi Frank
The drawing you show is of French deck construction which is very different to English construction
Kind Regards
Nigel
Very clean and precise work Uwe! Love it!
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Good evening Nigel, I'm sorry to contradict you, it's not a question of French or English carpentry, see the English one well, I'm documented. It is not the first time, I hope I'm wrong I have the impression that my observations bother, if so I can safely go out there is no problem
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Hi Nigel, I'm sure he's French
Many Thanks for the interest in the build and also your comments and replies - also off course for all the likes received.
@Frank48
Many thanks for your comment and question.
As Nigel mentioned correctly, your sketch is french and my ship is english, but some structural technical needs have to be fullfilled in both navies and also their shipyards.
Taking your sketch you marked maybe not the best example for such a notch (connection beam to carling)
The correct notch / recess under question would be the red arrow
The blue arrow notches / recesses are in french shipbuilding rectangle holes trough the beam in which rectangle smaller ledges (purple arrow) are installed - they are longer slats going through several beams
For better understanding, also for other interested members, here a photo of my Bonhomme Richard section
In the Anatomy book about the Granado written by Goodwin, there are several indications but no clear information about the height of the carlings, which are under question
Here we can interprete, that the height of the carlings is smaller than the beam
Here also, but it is not a typical carling, it is also a heavier beam fixing the mortar bed construction
Here also at the partners for the pumps
Interesting also this detail showing the structure of the mast partners
with red arrow the notch / recesses for such a stronger carling (#12 mast partner)
with #3 we can see the "Trimmer beam" which could be one of the carlings
Very interesting to see and marked with green arrows are the bolt holes with which the knee, beam and carlings are in addition fixed
So these carlings were not only layed into some recesses, but also fixed with horizontal bolts
In this Anatomy book you can not find more information about carlings, their height and form of recesses
When we take a look at the Anatomy book of the Blandford we can find these 3D sketch and the cross section, showing clearly, that the carlings have a smaller height than the beams, which would confirm your point.
I studied these information before startiung with my work on the structure and in short time I will be able to show you my interpretation and also how I executed this detail finally.
Many Thansk for your interest - I hope these info were not to boring .....
@Frank48
Many thanks for your comment and question.
As Nigel mentioned correctly, your sketch is french and my ship is english, but some structural technical needs have to be fullfilled in both navies and also their shipyards.
Taking your sketch you marked maybe not the best example for such a notch (connection beam to carling)
The correct notch / recess under question would be the red arrow
The blue arrow notches / recesses are in french shipbuilding rectangle holes trough the beam in which rectangle smaller ledges (purple arrow) are installed - they are longer slats going through several beams
For better understanding, also for other interested members, here a photo of my Bonhomme Richard section
In the Anatomy book about the Granado written by Goodwin, there are several indications but no clear information about the height of the carlings, which are under question
Here we can interprete, that the height of the carlings is smaller than the beam
Here also, but it is not a typical carling, it is also a heavier beam fixing the mortar bed construction
Here also at the partners for the pumps
Interesting also this detail showing the structure of the mast partners
with red arrow the notch / recesses for such a stronger carling (#12 mast partner)
with #3 we can see the "Trimmer beam" which could be one of the carlings
Very interesting to see and marked with green arrows are the bolt holes with which the knee, beam and carlings are in addition fixed
So these carlings were not only layed into some recesses, but also fixed with horizontal bolts
In this Anatomy book you can not find more information about carlings, their height and form of recesses
When we take a look at the Anatomy book of the Blandford we can find these 3D sketch and the cross section, showing clearly, that the carlings have a smaller height than the beams, which would confirm your point.
I studied these information before startiung with my work on the structure and in short time I will be able to show you my interpretation and also how I executed this detail finally.
Many Thansk for your interest - I hope these info were not to boring .....
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Hi Uwek, what you post is not boring at all, indeed I thank you for your answers and respect but, I am of my opinion as expressed. I know well that it is French shipbuilding, there is no need for Nigel to say it
Sorry Uwe @Uwek if I'm interrupting your construction report on the subject of constructions. I am a bit confused, could it be the translation program, I have the impression that we are talking past each other? I am very interested in the subject, especially the difference between English and French constructions. Do we have an area somewhere where we can discuss this?
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I did not understand the discussion fully.
The CAF model and also Uwe are showing the typical English method of the deck frameing beams, carlings and ledges. The AOTS also shows beamarms. and I think that Uwe will also do by the next deck (In the original drawings I don't find a hint but it is always a question if they were omitted because this detail was standard practice).
The model has in the construction a simplification. The carlings and the beams have the same thickness which was not common practice. On the finished model this is not really visible by the platform.
The CAF model and also Uwe are showing the typical English method of the deck frameing beams, carlings and ledges. The AOTS also shows beamarms. and I think that Uwe will also do by the next deck (In the original drawings I don't find a hint but it is always a question if they were omitted because this detail was standard practice).
The model has in the construction a simplification. The carlings and the beams have the same thickness which was not common practice. On the finished model this is not really visible by the platform.