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Both parts look very beautiful and impressive, well done my dear friend
HMS GRANADO - full hull - POF kit by CAF in 1:48 - by Uwe
What exactly is in Amsterdam on September 30th?
Historical modelship event Amsterdam in september
Where? In the Scheepvaartmuseum Amsterdam in the Netherlands on 30 september 2023, 10 am. Maybe nice to let us know here if you come and visit us.
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Thanks Uwe, Amsterdam would be worth a trip. Unfortunately, my children have not been there yet, it would be something to think about.
I love how this ship is turning out Uwe! Such fine workmanship and ingenuity!
Very impressive Uwe! Nice to see the full lengths (and halves) of your ship. Great work
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Uwe, your planking has one small mistake, which you can fix really quick. All planks including the thick stuff (Barkholz) have at the rabbet the same thickness.
I do not like cherry wood but with Clou it's looking really nice. I have to check how I can combine this with the colors I normally use.
I do not like cherry wood but with Clou it's looking really nice. I have to check how I can combine this with the colors I normally use.
Many thanks to @Steef66 , @Tobias , @pianoforte , @RDN1954 , @shota70 , @dockattner , @Hoss6262 , @Nomad and, @AnobiumPunctatum for your kind words and the continuously interest in my building log
and all others also for the likes received - Many Thanks for the Interest
Hallo Christian,
I am not so sure about your comment that the wale thickness was reduced at the bow, so that they planking including the thick stuff would fit into the rabbet.
I know that you have a big knowledge and a specilist in research, so therefore I have first doubts with my knowledge.
Let us take first a look at Goodwins plans and information in his Anatomy book
we can see, that Goodwin is showing the wales thicker than the normal planking
Independent of the technical correct way, I feel comfort knowing, that the step in thickness will be later on covered by the head rails and timbers
I was searching for photos of bows in the web and found f.e. the HMS Victory during a bow repair of the fore part of the wales
here a photo showing the left side in old status and the right side shortly after the repair
Definitely we can see here a step in the thickness
also great modelers are not adjusting the thickness of the thick stuff at the bow
(no contemporary model)
I am asking myself now, if the shipwrights adjusted maybe the width of the rabbet in these areas where thick stuff
F.e. the Bonhomme Richard has no step from the normal planking towards the wales - here the planking was getting thicker and thicker up to the final thickness of the thick stuff?
or something like this?
in green normal planking and in red thick stuff
For me the biggest question:
Why would the shipwrights reduce the thickness of the thick stuff, because they are a crucial part of the structure taking over main parts of the forces working in such a hull - this would weaken the structure ......
and all others also for the likes received - Many Thanks for the Interest
Hallo Christian,
I am not so sure about your comment that the wale thickness was reduced at the bow, so that they planking including the thick stuff would fit into the rabbet.
I know that you have a big knowledge and a specilist in research, so therefore I have first doubts with my knowledge.
Let us take first a look at Goodwins plans and information in his Anatomy book
we can see, that Goodwin is showing the wales thicker than the normal planking
Independent of the technical correct way, I feel comfort knowing, that the step in thickness will be later on covered by the head rails and timbers
I was searching for photos of bows in the web and found f.e. the HMS Victory during a bow repair of the fore part of the wales
here a photo showing the left side in old status and the right side shortly after the repair
Definitely we can see here a step in the thickness
also great modelers are not adjusting the thickness of the thick stuff at the bow
(no contemporary model)
I am asking myself now, if the shipwrights adjusted maybe the width of the rabbet in these areas where thick stuff
F.e. the Bonhomme Richard has no step from the normal planking towards the wales - here the planking was getting thicker and thicker up to the final thickness of the thick stuff?
or something like this?
in green normal planking and in red thick stuff
For me the biggest question:
Why would the shipwrights reduce the thickness of the thick stuff, because they are a crucial part of the structure taking over main parts of the forces working in such a hull - this would weaken the structure ......
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Back to "business" - means back to the status of the model.
With finishing the upper outer planking of the hull, I also tried how it is looking when both "halfs" are fitting together - somehow to see, that I am still working on a ship model and not only on a deck-model
Aft I realized, that one or two of the hanging knees installed at the upper half have to be a little bit adjusted, therefore the small gap at the aft part
the view towards the stern
and the other side with only the two wales installed
I am happy with the result
with some sanding blocks as distancers we can see the cutting lines of the two halfs
the top of the lower part (top of the frames) has still to be corrected, to get a smooth curved line
Many Thanks for the interest in my building log ..... have all a nice weekend with enjoyable hours in the workshops .... to be continued
With finishing the upper outer planking of the hull, I also tried how it is looking when both "halfs" are fitting together - somehow to see, that I am still working on a ship model and not only on a deck-model
Aft I realized, that one or two of the hanging knees installed at the upper half have to be a little bit adjusted, therefore the small gap at the aft part
the view towards the stern
and the other side with only the two wales installed
I am happy with the result
with some sanding blocks as distancers we can see the cutting lines of the two halfs
the top of the lower part (top of the frames) has still to be corrected, to get a smooth curved line
Many Thanks for the interest in my building log ..... have all a nice weekend with enjoyable hours in the workshops .... to be continued
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Hi Uwe,
I searched yesterday in my library where I found the information. I am sure that I have seen this also on a model. The examples of the historical models are showing your sketch, so I think that you're right and I have learned something new. Victory is so often rebuild, and details are so often changed, because they find mistakes in earlier reconstructions, that she is a not so good example.
I searched yesterday in my library where I found the information. I am sure that I have seen this also on a model. The examples of the historical models are showing your sketch, so I think that you're right and I have learned something new. Victory is so often rebuild, and details are so often changed, because they find mistakes in earlier reconstructions, that she is a not so good example.
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Beautiful execution of the cut Uwek, almost seamless! Once you adjust the knees, it will be seamless. 
That would be great, Uwe and Tobias. Frankfurt on May 13th is not possible for me.
Regards, Peter
Many Thanks to @AnobiumPunctatum , @Steef66 , @Mirek , @Dean62 , @Peter Voogt , @Nomad and @Lucian29 for the interest and kind words.
Many thanks for visting my log and the received likes - Highly appreciated
And also many thanks to @Steven B for posting the photos of his visit Of the Navy Academy Museum in Annapolis - Great models to see in this thread
Also in this exhibition is the Model No.34, a British Third Rate, 70-gun ship from appr. 1715. The speciality of this model is, that it is "separate into upper and lower halves, this rare "pull apart" model affords the observer an unobstructed view of the ship´s below-deck spaces"
Now we know, how to describe such a cut
"PULL-APART" - model
in the web, I found also this photo
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Many thanks for visting my log and the received likes - Highly appreciated
And also many thanks to @Steven B for posting the photos of his visit Of the Navy Academy Museum in Annapolis - Great models to see in this thread
Navy Academy Museum, Annapolis, MD - March 2023
Being in the DC/Maryland area visiting my family and specially my grandchildren, I finally made the ride to the Navy Museum at Annapolis. After a pleasant walk from the (armed) entry gate I took the 1st entrance to the museum and after seeing the sign, I went upstairs and to my surprise and...
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Also in this exhibition is the Model No.34, a British Third Rate, 70-gun ship from appr. 1715. The speciality of this model is, that it is "separate into upper and lower halves, this rare "pull apart" model affords the observer an unobstructed view of the ship´s below-deck spaces"
Now we know, how to describe such a cut
"PULL-APART" - model
in the web, I found also this photo
Annapolis: The Naval Academy Museum
While the Annapolis Naval Academy is a great place to wander around and watch cadets get yelled at, you should find some time to visit the ...
The US Naval Academy in Annapolis, MD
In January I spent a few hours walking around the US Naval Academy in Annapolis, MD. Established in 1845 and steeped in history and traditi...
chesapeakeag.blogspot.com
Unfortunately, the problem is that you can't actually lean over and look into the lower hull, so all you see in this picture is deck beams. Perhaps you can see it better in person?Many Thanks to @AnobiumPunctatum , @Steef66 , @Mirek , @Dean62 , @Peter Voogt , @Nomad and @Lucian29 for the interest and kind words.
Many thanks for visting my log and the received likes - Highly appreciated
And also many thanks to @Steven B for posting the photos of his visit Of the Navy Academy Museum in Annapolis - Great models to see in this thread
Navy Academy Museum, Annapolis, MD - March 2023
Being in the DC/Maryland area visiting my family and specially my grandchildren, I finally made the ride to the Navy Museum at Annapolis. After a pleasant walk from the (armed) entry gate I took the 1st entrance to the museum and after seeing the sign, I went upstairs and to my surprise and...shipsofscale.com
Also in this exhibition is the Model No.34, a British Third Rate, 70-gun ship from appr. 1715. The speciality of this model is, that it is "separate into upper and lower halves, this rare "pull apart" model affords the observer an unobstructed view of the ship´s below-deck spaces"
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Now we know, how to describe such a cut
"PULL-APART" - model
in the web, I found also this photo
View attachment 365781
Annapolis: The Naval Academy Museum
While the Annapolis Naval Academy is a great place to wander around and watch cadets get yelled at, you should find some time to visit the ...
View attachment 365783
The US Naval Academy in Annapolis, MD
In January I spent a few hours walking around the US Naval Academy in Annapolis, MD. Established in 1845 and steeped in history and traditi...
Yes - you are right with this model of the 70-gunner
The modeler made the cut at the upper height of the wales, and with this the complete deck structure with beams and carlings is installed on top of the lower half and is hindering the view inside the hull
"Our" cut is at the lower end of the wales, means that the beams and carlings are installed at the upper half and left the lower half open to see directly the walls and interior
and also
