HMS Jalouse - Caldercraft by Ted

The instructions call for installing the rudder hinges next.
Would these be installed before the coppering or in top of the copper.
In addition, the factory opening isn't large enough to allow the rudder to turn more the about 10 degrees.
Is the front of the rudder rounded or beveled. Nothing indicated on the plans
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I want to do rigging on the cannons. The plans just show them glued to the deck. I sent an email to Jokita Ltd for the appropriate sizes for the blocks and hooks. Who knows if I will ever hear back.
 
Assuming her armament was all 32 pounder Carronades, based on the drawing from Dupin the running tackle blocks were likely about 6" long. The rope would be about 2" circumference and the breech rope would be about 5 inch circumference. There is good information on tackle for long guns, but I have never been able to find definitive data on Carronade rigging. If anyone can share a source on this information that would be great. I could not find info in Falconer, Dupin, or elsewhere in other than drawings, so far.
Thanks
Allan
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AllanKP69 said:
Assuming her armament was all 32 pounder Carronades, based on the drawing from Dupin the running tackle blocks were likely about 6" long. The rope would be about 2" circumference and the breech rope would be about 5 inch circumference. There is good information on tackle for long guns, but I have never been able to find definitive data on Carronade rigging. If anyone can share a source on this information that would be great. I could not find info in Falconer, Dupin, or elsewhere in other than drawings, so far.
Thanks
Allan
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I believe they were 8 pounders
 
Smithy said:
Interesting that the eyebolt and ring bolt go all the way through the bulwark; something I’ve always tried to avoid doing on my models.
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I saw something similar on Olha Batcherov's recent video. Interesting but beyond my abilities
 
Hi Ted,

I found some data on the Cormorant class sloops of which Jalouse was a part, being in the second batch of 24 vessels launched between 1806 and 1813. These 24 carried 32 pounder carronades. The first batch of seven ships all launched in 1794 carried sixteen 6 pounder long guns when launched then converted soon thereafter to sixteen 24 pounder carronades and eight 12 pounder carronades.

From what I could find Jalouse would have had sixteen 32 pounder carronades, eight 18 pounder carronades and two 6 pounders. Hope this helps.

Allan
 
Drilled theIMG20250501132612.jpg holes in the cats heads and assembled the bumpkins.
I can't seem to get accurate spacing. Need an x,y table
 
Smithy said:
Interesting that the eyebolt and ring bolt go all the way through the bulwark; something I’ve always tried to avoid doing on my models.
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I just looked at photos of a dozen contemporary models at Preble Hall in Annapolis and not one shows the bolts coming out the outer planking so we are not alone in not having them come through the hull of our models. In full size construction, it makes sense to have more than just an eyebolt without something to secure it, but for a model?????
Allan
 
AllanKP69 said:
I just looked at photos of a dozen contemporary models at Preble Hall in Annapolis and not one shows the bolts coming out the outer planking so we are not alone in not having them come through the hull of our models. In full size construction, it makes sense to have more than just an eyebolt without something to secure it, but for a model?????
Allan
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It’s true that recoil is far less on a model but the advantage as I see it, of through bolting is that it’s easier to drill all the way than stop at a particular depth.

I’ll try nipping the brass shank off with flush cutters and applying a blob of thick paint to represent the (square?) nut.
 
Smithy said:
I’ll try nipping the brass shank off with flush cutters and applying a blob of thick paint to represent the (square?) nut.
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If you use copper instead of brass, a touch of diluted liver of sulfur with a small brush or finger tip will blacken it and not stain the wood. One of the reasons I switched to copper in place of brass where possible.
Allan
 
I drilled the holes for the cannon carriage ropes. I'm hoping to full rigging on the carriages but don't know what size blocks or hooks to use. The plans just glue them to the deck with no rigging
I didn't get a response from Jokita/Caldercraft.
Made up and installed the grates overall light coat of minwax golden pecan on the deck planks.IMG20250507180842.jpg
 
AllanKP69 said:
Hi Ted,

I found some data on the Cormorant class sloops of which Jalouse was a part, being in the second batch of 24 vessels launched between 1806 and 1813. These 24 carried 32 pounder carronades. The first batch of seven ships all launched in 1794 carried sixteen 6 pounder long guns when launched then converted soon thereafter to sixteen 24 pounder carronades and eight 12 pounder carronades.

From what I could find Jalouse would have had sixteen 32 pounder carronades, eight 18 pounder carronades and two 6 pounders. Hope this helps.

Allan
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Allan,
The description in the instructions says 18 32 pounders
What size would the blocks be In millimeters for those
Thanks
Ted
 
Ted Robinson said:
The description in the instructions says 18 32 pounders What size would the blocks be In millimeters
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Hi Ted,
I assume you are going with 32 pounder Carronades not long guns. That being the case, post 264 above is the most information I was able to find. I would not be surprised though if the blocks were closer to 177.8mm or even 203.2mm rather than 152.4mm (6"). If you contact Andrew Baines or other members of the executive/curator staff office at HMS Victory, I bet they could give you the size of the blocks on the carronades that she has on board. He may be easier to reach by connecting with him on Linked In if you are a member on that website. You can also try the following address: enquiries@nmrn.org.uk Maybe some other SoS members have better contact information for Victory staff that will be able to help. I am also curious to know what size blocks are on Victory's various size carronades.
Another idea,,,,,,,, If I remember correctly Adrian Caruana found a lot of information on armament and supplies by researching stores lists found in places like the public records office. I have never tried that but suspect it may be a difficult way to go.
Allan
 
Working on deck furniture.
The missing part, 207, turned out easier than I thought. The matching part was notched deeper to make up for the notch
So the notch wasn't needed. I knew this kit was older and is probably one of the original Jalouse kits and has some errors probably corrected later in manufacturing.
The top right ships boats lift didn't fit over the grates and was also modified.IMG20250510090310.jpg
 
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