HMS Victory [1805] 1:79 by serikoff. Started with Mantua -> Upgraded with John McKay's Anatomy.

Again, a beautiful ship. The thing that jumps out to me is the unbelievable amount of precision that goes into every piece that all of these masters make. I would love to be able to sit and watch one of these craftsmen work. A true joy to see.

Bill
 
Stunning example of the Victory. A feast for the eyes. Thank you for sharing the beautiful images Sergey.
The bow netting is a standout for me, it’s perfect. But love it all. Tempting to do a Victory.
Eugene doesn’t look very happy in the photo, perhaps it was taken after he found a mistake to rework.
 
Inspiring work, indeed!
Yes.. such works evoke a dual feeling. On the one hand they motivate you, but on the other hand you see such mastery and understand how far you are from it.

Lovely model in many ways! There are so many things, but one that jumps out is realistic copper bottom plating.
Allan
Yes, I am amazed too. I am just approaching this stage. Copper cladding is a very complex manipulation and not only accuracy but also symmetry is very important in it.

Again, a beautiful ship. The thing that jumps out to me is the unbelievable amount of precision that goes into every piece that all of these masters make. I would love to be able to sit and watch one of these craftsmen work. A true joy to see.

Bill
Oh, yeah.. I honestly would really like to do a report about this. To visit such a master and film him at work, that would be great!

Absolutely wonderful craftmanship
Moreover, this is not even his best model )))

Stunning example of the Victory. A feast for the eyes. Thank you for sharing the beautiful images Sergey.
The bow netting is a standout for me, it’s perfect. But love it all. Tempting to do a Victory.
Eugene doesn’t look very happy in the photo, perhaps it was taken after he found a mistake to rework.
I know Evgeniy, he is a very modest person and slightly melancholic. That is why he smiles very little in life. But at the same time he is a very pleasant, but taciturn interlocutor))
 
On the one hand they motivate you, but on the other hand you see such mastery and understand how far you are from it.
Perhaps. But the artist spent many, many years on that model and the truth of the matter is most of us are not willing to make that level of commitment. In other words, I believe there are quite a number of modelers who could do something similar with enough time and experience...
 
Perhaps. But the artist spent many, many years on that model and the truth of the matter is most of us are not willing to make that level of commitment. In other words, I believe there are quite a number of modelers who could do something similar with enough time and experience...
Hello , with utmost respect for modelers , a personable consideration of mine , it is not all gold what you see , there are a variety of systems of building both as ship culture and compromises .Frank
 
Part 25

Copper Plating


I hesitated for a long time before starting this challenging stage, conducting trials and preparations, but the time has come.

Initial Data:
The dimensions of the copper sheets on the original ship:
4` х 1`2" = 1219мм х 356мм.
In my 1:79 scale, this translates to:
15,43мм х 4,5мм.
However, I found this too small and opted for sheets designed for 1:72 scale:
16.77мм х 4.725мм.

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Technology Overview:
All work with copper was done wearing nitrile gloves from start to finish.

1. Copper
I ordered 0.1 mm thick copper sheets from the Ukrainian store "Korabel." The pattern is different on the two sides of the sheets.

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2. Defects
I smoothed out all imperfections on the reverse side using the rounded end of a pair of manicure scissors. Its smooth, spherical surface made this task easier on a cutting mat.

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3. Adhesion and Shine
To ensure better glue adhesion, I sanded the inner surface with 400-grit sandpaper and polished the outer surface to a shine with 1000-grit sandpaper to remove any tarnish. Important: Sanding must be done on a perfectly flat surface, as any imperfections on the base will transfer to the copper during sanding.

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4. Cutting
Initially, I tried snapping the strips along the engraving lines, which worked but slightly stretched the free edge, resulting in a slight curve. So, I switched to cutting strips with a knife and lightly sanding the edges with sandpaper. I cut the strips in stacks of five plates at a time—both out of convenience and to achieve more controlled lines during fixing.

5. Protection
I applied tape to the outer surface of the strips (in stacks of five) to protect them from glue, damage, and fingerprints. This step is essential!

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6. Fixing
I glued the strips (each consisting of five plates—though the first one had only four due to damage) using Akfix 705 gel cyanoacrylate glue. I applied the glue to the strip with the tip of the tube, then spread it with a toothpick. I positioned the strip and pressed it down evenly with all my fingers. Strips of five plates fit perfectly in size.

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When overlapping plates, you should work from the stern downward to the bow so the “scales” overlap like fish scales, facing away from the waves. However, since I’m gluing the plates edge-to-edge, the nail imitations create the appearance of overlap. For my scale, overlapping 0.1 mm copper sheets would look too coarse, and keeping the lines straight would be more challenging.

For convenience, I started gluing from the keel and worked upward in the central section along the most even trajectory until reaching the second-to-last belt below the waterline. This belt will align strictly along the waterline. Afterward, I’ll taper the sheets in the bow and stern areas. This stage will be more complex than simply laying strips along the lines and is further complicated by the need for symmetry on both sides. Thus, the central section will also be laid out according to a strictly uniform plan.

I glued the strips with a 6 mm forward offset for the joints. In other words, the joints of the upper row are 6 mm closer to the bow than those of the lower row—not centered like brickwork but approximately at a 2/5 offset (for convenience, 6 mm). This ensures that when the tapered sections are added, the joints won’t align directly above one another. Aligning them further from the center (as on the original ship) would result in mismatched joints between rows.

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7. Final Finishing
This step is still far off, but here’s a preview. After completing the plating, I will remove the protective tape and polish the entire surface one final time. After this, the copper can no longer be touched by hand! Then I plan to age the copper (patinate it), but only after successful tests. If the patination doesn’t work out, I’ll leave the copper as is to develop a natural patina over time.

For now, I have a long road ahead of me. Wish me luck!

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You have developed a fine system for your coppering. I wish you good luck and plenty of patience.

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Are you aware of this system of working in sections? Zu Mondfeldt p.101
Thank you! Yes, I wanted to insert this picture, but in many sources the upper belt or two were not strictly along the waterline, but were simply a continuation of the lower ones. But I don’t like it that way, so I’ll do something in between. Most likely, it will go to the wedge at the back. And in the front I’ll make one or two belts parallel to the waterline. There are many sources and each one says different things, but the author can choose the one he likes best. I’ll use this option))) But I’ll make the lower connections in the front and back as in the picture. First, I’ll reach the waterline and stretch the upper belts forward and back. And then I’ll adjust the lower belts in the front and back to the upper ones. It’s hard to explain, but I’ll show it in the process.
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Hello everyone!
Progress is slow, but steady. Today, I managed to attach 1/12 of the copper plates, which is half of one of the six sheets I bought. It’s hard to say whether these six sheets will be enough, but I hope so. If I run out, especially for the triangular fragments, I may need to buy sheets in a different scale to fill the remaining gaps.

Here’s what I’ve learned: working with gloves is essential, as I mentioned earlier—glue gets everywhere. Another key point is to tape over the outer side of the plating for the same reason.
When gluing the strips edge-to-edge, it’s crucial to cut the copper with a very sharp knife so the strips are perfectly even. Otherwise, steps may appear in the upper rows. I’m glad I started from the bottom—most of what I’ve done so far is barely visible, as it faces downward. This has given me a chance to practice and refine my technique so that the visible sections turn out well.
From my calculations, preparing 1/12 of the plating takes two days, plus another day for gluing. This means the whole process will take at least 36 days—but realistically, probably more.
So, the work continues!
P.S. Thank you @dockattner for your kind words!))


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Сергей, остановись! Поставь сначала петли руля и крюки руля.
Здесь уже говорил, чтобы не повторяться:
Sergey, stop! Install the rudder hinges and rudder hooks first.
I’ve already said this here so as not to repeat myself:
 
Сергей, остановись! Поставь сначала петли руля и крюки руля.
Здесь уже говорил, чтобы не повторяться:
Sergey, stop! Install the rudder hinges and rudder hooks first.
I’ve already said this here so as not to repeat myself:
The hinges are visually on top of the copper. Yes, the copper is around the hinges, not underneath them, but I repeat, the hinges visually look like they are on top of the copper. So why complicate your life. If you can just install them on top of the copper. And you can assume that the copper is around the hinges, that's all.
 
Следующий вопрос: где на фото из сообщения 411 показаны киль, а где ватерлиния? Если киль внизу, а бархоут вверху, то "поздравляю": можно спокойно отрывать и выкидывать в мусор всю приклеенную медь: она поставлена против принципа рыбьей чешуи. Стыки получились против движения, а так же по закону Архимеда вода будет срывать медные листы снизу вверх, то есть, против стыков.
Медь укладывали с кормы в нос (ты это помнишь) и с ватерлинии к килю (ты это не сказал). Но легко запомнить: на покупной меди частые гвоздики должны быть по верхней кромке листа и его кормовой кромке.

Next question: where does the photo from message 411 show the keel and where is the waterline? If the keel is at the bottom and the velhout is at the top, then “congratulations”: you can safely tear off and throw in the trash all the glued copper: it is set against the principle of fish scales. The joints turned out against the movement, and also according to Archimedes’ law, water will tear off the copper sheets from the bottom up, that is, against the joints.
Copper was laid from the stern to the bow (you remember that) and from the waterline to the keel (you didn’t say that). But it’s easy to remember: on purchased copper, frequent nails should be along the upper edge of the sheet and its rear edge.

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Следующий вопрос: где на фото из сообщения 411 показаны киль, а где ватерлиния? Если киль внизу, а бархоут вверху, то "поздравляю": можно спокойно отрывать и выкидывать в мусор всю приклеенную медь: она поставлена против принципа рыбьей чешуи. Стыки получились против движения, а так же по закону Архимеда вода будет срывать медные листы снизу вверх, то есть, против стыков.
Медь укладывали с кормы в нос (ты это помнишь) и с ватерлинии к килю (ты это не сказал). Но легко запомнить: на покупной меди частые гвоздики должны быть по верхней кромке листа и его кормовой кромке.

Next question: where does the photo from message 411 show the keel and where is the waterline? If the keel is at the bottom and the velhout is at the top, then “congratulations”: you can safely tear off and throw in the trash all the glued copper: it is set against the principle of fish scales. The joints turned out against the movement, and also according to Archimedes’ law, water will tear off the copper sheets from the bottom up, that is, against the joints.
Copper was laid from the stern to the bow (you remember that) and from the waterline to the keel (you didn’t say that). But it’s easy to remember: on purchased copper, frequent nails should be along the upper edge of the sheet and its rear edge.

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In the first post about the paneling (#407) I was talking about this. Yes, the photo is upside down, so the imitation of nails is correct, according to the principle of fish scales. I already made the collage like this, I was too lazy to redo it. But thanks for noticing.
 
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Good morning Sergey,

I had a lot to catch up on and a lot to read. One of your posts is about the question of whether there is too much text, no, definitely not. I personally like a lot of text if it is informative and educational, and that is what your texts are. Sorry that I only skimmed the 3D posts because I am not personally that interested, here I live by the credo that what was made of wood should also be made of wood and what was made of metal should also be metal. But that is just my attitude and has nothing to do with the incredible possibilities of model making, so keep it up. You are doing an incredible job that is very impressive and of the highest quality. Regarding tung oil, I would like to say that it is no longer an option for me because, for example, maple wood develops a very unsightly yellowish color after a while. I am looking forward to more great posts and photos as well as lots of informative content.
 
Be careful with the information in the Mondfeld. The coppering scheme depends on the country and the time. It has changed over the time very often.
I think for my needs the information that is available is enough. I am not making a model for a competition, museum or exhibition. For my modest needs the anatomy of my ship is enough and also the anatomy of similar ships...

excuse me , do you have any source information regarding coppered hull protection? Thank you , Frank
... but I also join the question, since it is still interesting to know the different options.
 
Good morning Sergey,

I had a lot to catch up on and a lot to read. One of your posts is about the question of whether there is too much text, no, definitely not. I personally like a lot of text if it is informative and educational, and that is what your texts are. Sorry that I only skimmed the 3D posts because I am not personally that interested, here I live by the credo that what was made of wood should also be made of wood and what was made of metal should also be metal. But that is just my attitude and has nothing to do with the incredible possibilities of model making, so keep it up. You are doing an incredible job that is very impressive and of the highest quality. Regarding tung oil, I would like to say that it is no longer an option for me because, for example, maple wood develops a very unsightly yellowish color after a while. I am looking forward to more great posts and photos as well as lots of informative content.
Thank you for the kind words. It's always nice when your efforts are appreciated. Yes, I'm also for authenticity. And if I were making a second ship... I would order a good set (I already mentioned which one)) and make everything out of wood and metal... but I: 1. want to finish this project (it's been a long-term project since 2009))), 2. I'm still very interested in 3D, 3. there are a lot of similar very small parts on the ship, and I don't want to waste time on them without machines that would speed up the process. 4. I just want to see a significant result after so many years, while there is time for the ship. Because it is possible that something could happen again and the model will be on pause again. But in general, I am interested in sharing my knowledge, experiments and observations. And it is also interesting to follow good work, this now more than ever distracts me from what is happening around. Thanks again! ))
 
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