HMS Victory Mantua 1:78 (first build) by Grant Tyler

GrantTyler said:
Good morning Paul. It has been fun working out how to rig these sail control lines. Clearly the belay points are the same. For the end which attach to the sails, my approach has been 2 fold.
1. I make a joggle on the end of the line which ends at the last block before it would connect to, or go around the sail (mainly for the cluelines and buntlines) and ;
2. The sheet and tack lines I run through the required blocks and "sail" end it is tied to the yard).

The brace and preventer brace lines are as normal.

I have stuggled to illustrate this in my build log and I realise I am confusing guys more than myself ROTF.

I am really glad I made the call to "fully" rig the Victory as it has been fun learning and researching all the rigging. It also has made Grants Victory very busy and I like that. My biggest issue is the belay points which I have too few of. (Lesson learnt if one decides to "modify" or go beyond instructions one has to start from the beginning of the build process and have a good research reference.).
Cheers Grant
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I have to agree that it makes for an impressive display!
 
dockattner said:
With sails....

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Without sails:

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Good afternoon and Thanks Paul.
The first picture is interesting and I see it uses a strop knot. I could probably make one of these. My only problem is the Victory strops are not attached to any other line other than those which run through the blocks themselves. It is suspended so to speak.

Here is a closer pic of the Victory strop which used U bolts which I am sure was not there in 1800.
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Your second no sails - I have to add the sheet block as I have included these lines throughout my rigging.

A redo coin and some more research is on my agenda.

Thanks again.
Cheers Grant

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Pathfinder65 said:
Oh wow, just catching up and don’t have a “clew” what this all about. I’m learning as you progress with this ‘rigging business”. Yup, that’s me, an “old dog” earning new tricks:D
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Good evening Jan. I’m pretty clueless right now tooROTF. I’m trying to see how I can get the 3 blocks with a strop knot (as in Paul’s @dockattner diagram) to work without the clue of the sail there to keep it all together. No clue what so everROTF. Cheers Grant
 
RogerD said:
Ok,I’m lost too but I admire your attention to detail and as for the clue, I also haven’t a clue what the clue your clue refers too :D. Oh boy.
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Good morning Roger. The difficulty I have experienced is rigging the sail lines with no sails there. It has been throughout my rigging and up until now it was relatively simple using the yards and “end” blocks to finish off the lines which normally attached to the sail. The lines which normally are attached to the sail are be “fixed” to the yard below via a block or tied to the yard itself. This applies to the top gallant and top sail lines.

For the fore main sail and main sail there are no yards below so the trio of blocks are sort of suspended (as there is no sail to attach these too). The logic is simple however to get the trio of blocks looking reasonabley realistic is the issue. I am inclined to go with what is on the Victory at Portsmouth.

Cheers Grant
 
Good morning. I drew rough diagrams of my logic of rigging the Clue (clew), sheet and buntlines and how these would look if sails where on.

This is how I did these lines on Grants Victory. Maybe this will help clear up some confusion…;). I’m not sure if this is 100% accurate but works for me.

Clue (clew)lines and sheet :
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Buntlines :
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Cheers Grant
 
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