HMS Victory Mantua 1:78 (first build) by Grant Tyler

GrantTyler said:
Good morning. I drew rough diagrams of my logic of rigging the Clue (clew), sheet and buntlines and how these would look if sails where on.

This is how I did these lines on Grants Victory. Maybe this will help clear up some confusion…;). I’m not sure if this is 100% accurate but works for me.

Clue (clew)lines and sheet :
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Buntlines :
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Cheers Grant
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Great job you're doing Grant, I took the easy way out with my Unicorn and followed the rigging plan. Looking at it now the rigging is finished I can see there's lots of extra lines I could have included. I've still got a lot to learn I'll try harder next time.
 
GrantTyler said:
Good morning. I drew rough diagrams of my logic of rigging the Clue (clew), sheet and buntlines and how these would look if sails where on.

This is how I did these lines on Grants Victory. Maybe this will help clear up some confusion…;). I’m not sure if this is 100% accurate but works for me.

Clue (clew)lines and sheet :
View attachment 343637
Buntlines :
View attachment 343638

Cheers Grant
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Hi Grant. It’s good to visualize how rigging of the lines is without sails. It’s almost the same as with furled sails. The main thing is to calculate the length of the lines because it are at most the others than in the drawing diagrams. ;). As you showed with the sheet lines.
Regards, Peter
 
GrantTyler said:
Good morning. I drew rough diagrams of my logic of rigging the Clue (clew), sheet and buntlines and how these would look if sails where on.

This is how I did these lines on Grants Victory. Maybe this will help clear up some confusion…;). I’m not sure if this is 100% accurate but works for me.

Clue (clew)lines and sheet :
View attachment 343637
Buntlines :
View attachment 343638

Cheers Grant
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Great explanation and sketch Grant - now I’m a lot more “clued up” ROTF
 
Tony H said:
Great job you're doing Grant, I took the easy way out with my Unicorn and followed the rigging plan. Looking at it now the rigging is finished I can see there's lots of extra lines I could have included. I've still got a lot to learn I'll try harder next time.
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Good morning. Thank you Tony. It is my opinion that at certain scales less is more. My Victory is a rather large model even at 1:78 scale, and it can carry many lines. Gets fiddly at times but I am learning a lot running this process. Cheers Grant
 
Good morning. Still trying to decide how to do the blocks for the Clueline, tack and sheet on lower course.

So : Finished off the braces for the main course (sounds like dinner time ROTF )

Crossjack brace:
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These are the bracelines which cross over each and run through the blocks attached to the aft most main shroud. They are not tied off.

Main yard brace:

The standing end is attached to an eyelet on the bulkward at the aft of the poop deck. It runs up to the brace block on the end of the yard and back through a snatch block on the poop deck railing under the netting. I have not tied this off.
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Eyelet and snatch block. Block made from 2x2 birch. It is a little small but the Mantua netting was not made for this configuration. Had to do another “Grant Mod”.
Lizard: (another reptile for the Victory). The Lizard are pendants tied to the Mizzen shroud which the brace runs through. Grants interpretation:
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Main course thus far :
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Cheers Grant
 
GrantTyler said:
Good morning. Still trying to decide how to do the blocks for the Clueline, tack and sheet on lower course.

So : Finished off the braces for the main course (sounds like dinner time ROTF )

Crossjack brace:
View attachment 343822
These are the bracelines which cross over each and run through the blocks attached to the aft most main shroud. They are not tied off.

Main yard brace:

The standing end is attached to an eyelet on the bulkward at the aft of the poop deck. It runs up to the brace block on the end of the yard and back through a snatch block on the poop deck railing under the netting. I have not tied this off.
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Eyelet and snatch block. Block made from 2x2 birch. It is a little small but the Mantua netting was not made for this configuration. Had to do another “Grant Mod”.
Lizard: (another reptile for the Victory). The Lizard are pendants tied to the Mizzen shroud which the brace runs through. Grants interpretation:
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Main course thus far :
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Cheers Grant
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WOW! Grant, the last photo in this series could easily be mistaken for a real ship, now that is just crazy good work my friend!
 
I would not recommend getting carried away with the elements and details of the vessel and rigging, which we see in the photo from the museum ship.
These photos were taken prior to a major renovation started in 2012 by new Curator Andrew Bates, who is determined to really restore HMS Victory Trafalgar's look to the moment.The quality of the rigging of the sample until 2012 (part of which is covered with metal wire) can be judged from the photo (there is simply no block here at all).For high-quality restoration of rigging, I recommend the books by K. Markvardt "Spar, rigging and sails of ships of the 18th century" and L.Andersson's album "Rigging Period Ship Model"

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GrantTyler said:
Good morning. Still trying to decide how to do the blocks for the Clueline, tack and sheet on lower course.

So : Finished off the braces for the main course (sounds like dinner time ROTF )

Crossjack brace:
View attachment 343822
These are the bracelines which cross over each and run through the blocks attached to the aft most main shroud. They are not tied off.

Main yard brace:

The standing end is attached to an eyelet on the bulkward at the aft of the poop deck. It runs up to the brace block on the end of the yard and back through a snatch block on the poop deck railing under the netting. I have not tied this off.
View attachment 343821
Eyelet and snatch block. Block made from 2x2 birch. It is a little small but the Mantua netting was not made for this configuration. Had to do another “Grant Mod”.
Lizard: (another reptile for the Victory). The Lizard are pendants tied to the Mizzen shroud which the brace runs through. Grants interpretation:
View attachment 343823

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Main course thus far :
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Cheers Grant
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Hi Grant,
Great work.
I assume you practice your rigging even at the dinner table when you get given spaghetti LL!!!
 
Fortres said:
I would not recommend getting carried away with the elements and details of the vessel and rigging, which we see in the photo from the museum ship.
These photos were taken prior to a major renovation started in 2012 by new Curator Andrew Bates, who is determined to really restore HMS Victory Trafalgar's look to the moment.The quality of the rigging of the sample until 2012 (part of which is covered with metal wire) can be judged from the photo (there is simply no block here at all).For high-quality restoration of rigging, I recommend the books by K. Markvardt "Spar, rigging and sails of ships of the 18th century" and L.Andersson's album "Rigging Period Ship Model"

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Good afternoon. I certainly agree with you. Many things in the Portsmouth Victory are for cost and tourism benefits. However it is always a good go to when I am seeing how to do things. Cheers Grant
 
Thomas Marocke said:
Hi Grant!

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Source: "The Anatomy of Nelsons Ships", Longridge, plan running rigging.

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Source: "The Anatomy of Nelson Ships", Longridge, page 244.

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And slightly different ececution on a model of "La Renommée". The slightly sagging rope guide without tension, is somewhat difficult to execute.

Best regards
Thomas
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Good afternoon Thomas. Thanks for this. Paul (@dockattner ) also showed me a similar reference. I do want to include the sheet block (even though no sails) and my attempts using the Strop knot are pretty sad. I will get it sort of right at a point.

Rope sag is very difficult (well for me) so I have excluded it from my rigging. I did give it a go on my braces but it was sad:rolleyes:.
Cheers Grant
 
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