Hohenzollernmodell 1660-1670 Scale 1/75 POF build by Stephan Kertész (Steef66)

RDN1954 · Jul 6, 2023

Te laat, als mosterd na de maaltijd...
Ik hoop dat je op gepaste wijze je verjaardag hebt kunnen vieren, maar vooral dat je het komende jaar weer veel mooie herinneringen kunt maken.

Steef66 · Jul 6, 2023

RDN1954 said:
Te laat, als mosterd na de maaltijd...
Ik hoop dat je op gepaste wijze je verjaardag hebt kunnen vieren, maar vooral dat je het komende jaar weer veel mooie herinneringen kunt maken.

Dat is mij zeker gelukt Johan, bedankt

Steef66 · Jul 7, 2023

@All thanks again for the Birthday wishes. I had a wonderfull day And one of the presents I got was this set of files. I already got the zeeg 2 (fine) but needed some rough ones, Zeeg (cut) 0.

It is so much fun working with these ones. Precise and accurate and above all, sharp.

Back to the ship. I finished 3 layers of planks and started with the bilge, also an extra frame on the back to make sure the planking goes in the right direction. Enjoy the pictures.

In this moment I have to plan how I go further in this build, continuing the planking and floor timber or go on making the frames complete (8 in total) and go from that point further with the planking and the rest of the floor timber and bilges. Due to the scale I'm working it is a bit tricky to reach certain spots in the build.

Uwek · Jul 7, 2023

Looking very good - and with your new set of needle files it will get even faster in future.
I have this set also - very good quality

Steef66 · Jul 7, 2023

Uwek said:
Looking very good - and with your new set of needle files it will get even faster in future.
I have this set also - very good quality

Thanks Uwe, the quality is superb. I'm saving money at the moment for the diamond version. These are on my wishlist too.

shota70 · Jul 7, 2023

Glad to hear that you had a pleasant birthday and that you received a gift that you liked / needle files. I admit that I salute your persistence and commitment to a no less excellent process and result, well done friend Thumbsup

dockattner · Jul 7, 2023

This is really looking great Stephan! I'm happy to see those partial frames in place as a guide - the contours look very much improved to this landlubbers eyes now.

Maarten · Jul 7, 2023

Very clean work Stephan, looks great.

Tobias · Jul 7, 2023

Hello Stephan,
it's nice to hear that you were able to enjoy your birthday. Very nice set of files, I have them like Uwe and they are wonderful. The structure of your Hohenzollern is taking shape, really fantastic work.

Steef66 · Jul 8, 2023

@All thanks for the likes

shota70 said:
Glad to hear that you had a pleasant birthday and that you received a gift that you liked / needle files. I admit that I salute your persistence and commitment to a no less excellent process and result, well done friend

Thanks Shota, nice words you give me.

dockattner said:
This is really looking great Stephan! I'm happy to see those partial frames in place as a guide - the contours look very much improved to this landlubbers eyes now.

Thanks Paul, the first part of this shell first build is ready. Now it is a little more like most other builds, starting mouting frame timbers. Floor first.

Maarten said:
Very clean work Stephan, looks great.

Thanks Maarten

Tobias said:
Hello Stephan,
it's nice to hear that you were able to enjoy your birthday. Very nice set of files, I have them like Uwe and they are wonderful. The structure of your Hohenzollern is taking shape, really fantastic work.

Thanks Tobias, yes I'm glad with the files and with the shape of the ship take out so well.

When I constructed the floor timber in the middle, I made a complete frame that I can put together with pins, and precise drilled holes. That makes it posible to attached parts separate on the ship. Like I did with the bilge on that frame. I will do this with the other frames from the drawing of Winter too. The first 2 frames I will construct are frame 11 and 9. At this moment I got the drawing ready for the wooden parts.

Steef66 · Jul 14, 2023

@ All thanks again for the visit, the comments and the likes.

I started to make the frames of the drawing I got from the book and made in AutoCAD. First the frame 9 and 11.
I made a design to cut out by hand. (the wood you see I cut from a table top of cherry on my Scheppach Basa 1 bandsaw)

Then I dry fit them together to look if it is roughly okay.

Then I glued the floor timber or crutch (I think crutch because the planking of the floor on that place is going vertical) together. And make a wooden connection between both parts for reinforcement.

After that I drilled the holes in the parts that connect to each other and lay them on the plan to fit them in the right way. With pieces of scratch wood I fixed them. So I can take them apart.

The working space is started to look messy but cosy at one time.

After the parts are dried I make the crutch fit perfectly to the hull, and glue it in place after a few tiny corrections.

This is how it looks when they are in place. Include the bilges on the main floor timber. (frame 17)

Then I start with the frames 21, 23 and 25. First on paper, then roughly cut out. The same way as I done before. After that is done I only have to make the floor timber number 14 and then I can go on with the planking.

Thanks for watching

RDN1954 · Jul 14, 2023

Is this now where you transition from "shell first" to "plank-on-frame" building?

Steef66 · Jul 14, 2023

RDN1954 said:
Is this now where you transition from "shell first" to "plank-on-frame" building?

Almost. Actually it starts after bilge and planking of the bilge. I skipped the planking of the bilge and start in this stage of the build. It is almost impossible to go further without these floor timbers. The scale is to little to get the shape of the HZ ship I try to duplicate. Something I have to deal with from the beginning.
But, I'm still in fase 1.

RDN1954 · Jul 14, 2023

Steef66 said:
It is almost impossible to go further without these floor timbers. The scale is to little to get the shape of the HZ ship I try to duplicate. Something I have to deal with from the beginning.

is this due to the more compound curvature of the planks, or more that small deviations resulting in large mismatches between planks and frames, once you start installing the latter?

Steef66 · Jul 14, 2023

RDN1954 said:
is this due to the more compound curvature of the planks, or more that small deviations resulting in large mismatches between planks and frames, once you start installing the latter?

Both, because it is all small and a half mm. in the curvature will be a bigger mismatch in the top. Dificult to get these small planks in the right shape and place without these timbers in place

RDN1954 · Jul 14, 2023

Steef66 said:
Dificult to get these small planks in the right shape and place without these timbers in place

I can only imagine that. To me the shell first method seems quite complex and prone to errors. I would say this is for experienced shipwrights/builders only.

Steef66 · Jul 14, 2023

RDN1954 said:
I would say this is for experienced shipwrights/builders only.

No, no, I'm not experienced. It is fun. Just don't care to much on the shape, let there be a bit of tolerance in the build.

RDN1954 · Jul 14, 2023

Steef66 said:
No, no, I'm not experienced.

Yeah, right... ROTF

Steef, with all due respect, I find that hard to believe.
Setting this aside, I have newfound respect for both you and @Maarten, taking on a challenge like this.

Peter Voogt · Jul 14, 2023

Steef66 said:
@ All thanks again for the visit, the comments and the likes.

I started to make the frames of the drawing I got from the book and made in AutoCAD. First the frame 9 and 11.
I made a design to cut out by hand. (the wood you see I cut from a table top of cherry on my Scheppach Basa 1 bandsaw)
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Then I dry fit them together to look if it is roughly okay.

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Then I glued the floor timber or crutch (I think crutch because the planking of the floor on that place is going vertical) together. And make a wooden connection between both parts for reinforcement.

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After that I drilled the holes in the parts that connect to each other and lay them on the plan to fit them in the right way. With pieces of scratch wood I fixed them. So I can take them apart.

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The working space is started to look messy but cosy at one time.

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After the parts are dried I make the crutch fit perfectly to the hull, and glue it in place after a few tiny corrections.

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This is how it looks when they are in place. Include the bilges on the main floor timber. (frame 17)

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Then I start with the frames 21, 23 and 25. First on paper, then roughly cut out. The same way as I done before. After that is done I only have to make the floor timber number 14 and then I can go on with the planking.

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Thanks for watching

You made a nice progress, Stephan. Nice tinkering with the floor timber parts of the frames. The reinforcement in the middle is a good option to absorb the forces of the curved hull planks.
Regard, Peter

Steef66 · Jul 14, 2023

Peter Voogt said:
You made a nice progress, Stephan. Nice tinkering with the floor timber parts of the frames. The reinforcement in the middle is a good option to absorb the forces of the curved hull planks.
Regard, Peter

Thanks Peter. Yes especially in the stern part of the hull there are some tensions in the hull.

Hohenzollernmodell 1660-1670 Scale 1/75 POF build by Stephan Kertész (Steef66)

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