La Créole 1827 by archjofo - Scale 1/48 - French corvette
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@Mirek
@shota70
@Peter V
@Uwek
Hello,
many thanks for the nice comments, and also thanks for the LIKES.
Actually, the equipment elements of the individual yards are more or less repeated again and again, except that the further up you go in the rigging, the smaller the dimensions.
So I could deal with this chapter in a condensed form.
But if you know me, you know that I'm merciless until the last yards ...
Completion: Equipping the mizzen topsail yard - Vergue de perroquet de fouge
The clew lines with the corresponding blocks, the sheet and the lifts were added to the final equipment of the mizzen topsail yard.
See the following pictures:
I'm still not quite sure whether the reef tackles should be simple and with a hook or with a block. I still need to do some research on this. Regardless of this, this yard will now be put to one side with the already equipped yards and work will begin on equipping the topgallant yards.
To be continued ...
@shota70
@Peter V
@Uwek
Hello,
many thanks for the nice comments, and also thanks for the LIKES.
Actually, the equipment elements of the individual yards are more or less repeated again and again, except that the further up you go in the rigging, the smaller the dimensions.
So I could deal with this chapter in a condensed form.
But if you know me, you know that I'm merciless until the last yards ...
Completion: Equipping the mizzen topsail yard - Vergue de perroquet de fouge
The clew lines with the corresponding blocks, the sheet and the lifts were added to the final equipment of the mizzen topsail yard.
See the following pictures:
I'm still not quite sure whether the reef tackles should be simple and with a hook or with a block. I still need to do some research on this. Regardless of this, this yard will now be put to one side with the already equipped yards and work will begin on equipping the topgallant yards.
To be continued ...
I wish I had more superlatives in my vocabulary to share my admiration for this caliber of work...
...you can always try other languages, thought
Amazing work, Johann. I think it should be a standard to define the rigging in models.
Hi Johann, everything just looks so perfect.
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@Jimsky
@Mirek
@kuba91nt
@Tobias
Hello,
at the moment we spend a lot of time in the house (at least in most northern regions), so there is also a lot of time for our beautiful passion.Accordingly, the intervals between posts have become shorter. I'm all the more pleased that you continue to show interest in my posts.
Thank you for that,for the comments and the LIKES.
Equipment of the topgallant yards– Itague de vergue de grand perroquet
In the meantime I'm working on equipping the topgallant yards.
I'm slowly starting to get the feeling that the higher I get in the rigging, the less information there is about the details; be it from the monograph or from the relevant specialist literature. There is obviously less to be found on the internet. Apparently it is due to the importance or meaning of the components, as a large yard literally has more weight.
Or to put it somewhat jokingly, the higher the air, the thinner the air..., of course, meant the information density...
So I brought together information about the execution of the truss from a wide variety of sources, as can be seen in the following pictures.
Accordingly, from my point of view, I was able to clarify the execution of the tye with the double strop for the top gallant. I think that this detail can also be used analogously for the royals.
Source: Detailed photo detail of the original model Musée national de la Marine – edited / Atlas du Génie Maritime – edited
The implementation for the main topgallant yard of the model then looks like this, as shown. The “mousing” as a hook lock is only attached when the yard is finally equipped.
We then continued with the truss. This was made like the truss for the topsail yards with leather coating.
The following drawing by K. H. Marquardt, but served.
Source: Karl Heinz Marquardt, Masting and Rigging of 18th Century Ships
In the last two pictures you can see the tye and the truss for the main topgallant yard, which will only be finally lashed to the topgallant mast of the model later.
In the next step I will work on making the quarter blocks as double blocks with a length of 3.0 mm for the topgallant yards, which are used to guide the royal sheets and clew lines.
So, see you soon…
@Jimsky
@Mirek
@kuba91nt
@Tobias
Hello,
at the moment we spend a lot of time in the house (at least in most northern regions), so there is also a lot of time for our beautiful passion.Accordingly, the intervals between posts have become shorter. I'm all the more pleased that you continue to show interest in my posts.
Thank you for that,for the comments and the LIKES.
Equipment of the topgallant yards– Itague de vergue de grand perroquet
In the meantime I'm working on equipping the topgallant yards.
I'm slowly starting to get the feeling that the higher I get in the rigging, the less information there is about the details; be it from the monograph or from the relevant specialist literature. There is obviously less to be found on the internet. Apparently it is due to the importance or meaning of the components, as a large yard literally has more weight.
Or to put it somewhat jokingly, the higher the air, the thinner the air..., of course, meant the information density...
So I brought together information about the execution of the truss from a wide variety of sources, as can be seen in the following pictures.
Accordingly, from my point of view, I was able to clarify the execution of the tye with the double strop for the top gallant. I think that this detail can also be used analogously for the royals.
Source: Detailed photo detail of the original model Musée national de la Marine – edited / Atlas du Génie Maritime – edited
The implementation for the main topgallant yard of the model then looks like this, as shown. The “mousing” as a hook lock is only attached when the yard is finally equipped.
We then continued with the truss. This was made like the truss for the topsail yards with leather coating.
The following drawing by K. H. Marquardt, but served.
Source: Karl Heinz Marquardt, Masting and Rigging of 18th Century Ships
In the last two pictures you can see the tye and the truss for the main topgallant yard, which will only be finally lashed to the topgallant mast of the model later.
In the next step I will work on making the quarter blocks as double blocks with a length of 3.0 mm for the topgallant yards, which are used to guide the royal sheets and clew lines.
So, see you soon…
Hello Johann, it is bitterly cold in the south of the Republic too and I completely share your opinion about spending more time on the hobby.
It's another wonderful representation of the individual components and I'm always fascinated by it.
A question about your research, when you look for specific techniques, is it more related to Le Créole or do you have to use general techniques from that time? I have already received a list from you that is very helpful and I am trying to get it, which is sometimes a bit difficult.
Am I correct that you are looking more for the era of the ship type, e.g. 1780 - 1810 and the Corvette design, or is it more generally the way it was with French ships from around 1800? So what was it like with frigates or ships of the line?
It's another wonderful representation of the individual components and I'm always fascinated by it.
A question about your research, when you look for specific techniques, is it more related to Le Créole or do you have to use general techniques from that time? I have already received a list from you that is very helpful and I am trying to get it, which is sometimes a bit difficult.
Am I correct that you are looking more for the era of the ship type, e.g. 1780 - 1810 and the Corvette design, or is it more generally the way it was with French ships from around 1800? So what was it like with frigates or ships of the line?
Good afternoon. This is just modelling at the highest level. Wow. Cheers Grant@Mirek
@shota70
@Peter V
@Uwek
Hello,
many thanks for the nice comments, and also thanks for the LIKES.
Actually, the equipment elements of the individual yards are more or less repeated again and again, except that the further up you go in the rigging, the smaller the dimensions.
So I could deal with this chapter in a condensed form.
But if you know me, you know that I'm merciless until the last yards ...
Completion: Equipping the mizzen topsail yard - Vergue de perroquet de fouge
The clew lines with the corresponding blocks, the sheet and the lifts were added to the final equipment of the mizzen topsail yard.
See the following pictures:
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I'm still not quite sure whether the reef tackles should be simple and with a hook or with a block. I still need to do some research on this. Regardless of this, this yard will now be put to one side with the already equipped yards and work will begin on equipping the topgallant yards.
To be continued ...
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@GrantTyler
Hello Grant,
thank you for your praise.
This makes me blush with shame.
@Tobias
Hello Tobias,
thank you in advance for appreciating my post.
When it comes to specific details, I try to focus primarily on the period from the early to mid-19th century, and specifically on French versions. So I try to get information from relevant French specialist literature and corresponding contemporary models, and of course from the Internet. Although in some cases this doesn't always work, I have to resort to general techniques.
Mainly I try to orientate myself on the original model in the Paris museum and the monograph. There are often contradictions that I try to clarify and then have to make a decision. It can then possibly be right or wrong.
The Atlas du Genie Maritime also contains a lot of details that make a decision easier.
Basically, in addition to many similarities, there are also many differences between French rigging and English rigging. The changes in the rigging from around 1810 are also not insignificant, and differ in many ways compared to rigging from the late 18th century.
Of course, I also try to take into account that many detailed designs also have to be evaluated depending on the size of the ship, whether it is a corvette, a frigate or a ship of the line.
Hopefully I've been able to answer your questions so far.
Of course, I'm happy to answer any further questions.
Hello Grant,
thank you for your praise.
This makes me blush with shame.
@Tobias
Hello Tobias,
thank you in advance for appreciating my post.
When it comes to specific details, I try to focus primarily on the period from the early to mid-19th century, and specifically on French versions. So I try to get information from relevant French specialist literature and corresponding contemporary models, and of course from the Internet. Although in some cases this doesn't always work, I have to resort to general techniques.
Mainly I try to orientate myself on the original model in the Paris museum and the monograph. There are often contradictions that I try to clarify and then have to make a decision. It can then possibly be right or wrong.
The Atlas du Genie Maritime also contains a lot of details that make a decision easier.
Basically, in addition to many similarities, there are also many differences between French rigging and English rigging. The changes in the rigging from around 1810 are also not insignificant, and differ in many ways compared to rigging from the late 18th century.
Of course, I also try to take into account that many detailed designs also have to be evaluated depending on the size of the ship, whether it is a corvette, a frigate or a ship of the line.
Hopefully I've been able to answer your questions so far.
Of course, I'm happy to answer any further questions.
you still can surprise us with something new - with a further highlight
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@Uwek
Hello Uwe,
today I can't surprise you with anything new, unfortunately it's about an old braid ...
Continuation: Equipment of the main topgallant yard – Vergue de grand perroquet
The next step was the production of the quarter blocks. In the first picture you can see the quarter blocks with a length of 3.0 mm that have already been provided with strops. At the top left of this picture I show these double blocks compared to a guide block that is used on the deck to redirect the topsail sheets.
Here the assembly of the quarter blocks is nearing completion.
Before I started making the footropes for the main topgallant yards, I tried to fundamentally clarify the execution details for the topgallant yards.
In this context, I found what I was looking for in the contemporary specialist literature “Manuel de Greement” by F. A. Coste from 1829 on pages 120/121. Accordingly, the footropes of the top gallantyards of the yardarms each extended slightly beyond the center of the yard, where they were then attached. These footropes could not be tensioned with lanyards like those of the lower yards and topsail yards.
Since the brams of the La Créole did not yet have a jackstage, unlike the lower yards and topsail yards, the stirrups were designed and attached in the conventional manner. This means that the ropes of the stirrups were braided and looped around the yard with two to three turns. The ends of the braids, also known as plating (in German, I don't know the English name), were fastened with flat-headed nails with leather washers.
As F. A. Coste describes, the number of stirrups in the topgallant yards must be chosen depending on the yard length. For a corvette like the La Créole, one stirrup per half of the yard should be sufficient.
To make the stirrups, I was able to find the following in the specialist book “The Ashley Books of Knots” by C. W. Ashley:
Of course I had the ambition to implement this detail for my Corvette too. After tying in the thimble, the braid was made after unraveling the rope of the stirrup. This is how the meaning of the braid became clear to me. Since these were no longer round but flat, they could be wrapped very well and tightly around the yard and securely nailed down.
Since I still had a main topgallant yard as scrap from making the yards, I was able to try out attaching the braids to it. The result can be seen in the next picture.
I think that's how I'll ultimately implement it at the topgallant yards.
Sequel follows …
Hello Uwe,
today I can't surprise you with anything new, unfortunately it's about an old braid ...
Continuation: Equipment of the main topgallant yard – Vergue de grand perroquet
The next step was the production of the quarter blocks. In the first picture you can see the quarter blocks with a length of 3.0 mm that have already been provided with strops. At the top left of this picture I show these double blocks compared to a guide block that is used on the deck to redirect the topsail sheets.
Here the assembly of the quarter blocks is nearing completion.
Before I started making the footropes for the main topgallant yards, I tried to fundamentally clarify the execution details for the topgallant yards.
In this context, I found what I was looking for in the contemporary specialist literature “Manuel de Greement” by F. A. Coste from 1829 on pages 120/121. Accordingly, the footropes of the top gallantyards of the yardarms each extended slightly beyond the center of the yard, where they were then attached. These footropes could not be tensioned with lanyards like those of the lower yards and topsail yards.
Since the brams of the La Créole did not yet have a jackstage, unlike the lower yards and topsail yards, the stirrups were designed and attached in the conventional manner. This means that the ropes of the stirrups were braided and looped around the yard with two to three turns. The ends of the braids, also known as plating (in German, I don't know the English name), were fastened with flat-headed nails with leather washers.
As F. A. Coste describes, the number of stirrups in the topgallant yards must be chosen depending on the yard length. For a corvette like the La Créole, one stirrup per half of the yard should be sufficient.
To make the stirrups, I was able to find the following in the specialist book “The Ashley Books of Knots” by C. W. Ashley:
Of course I had the ambition to implement this detail for my Corvette too. After tying in the thimble, the braid was made after unraveling the rope of the stirrup. This is how the meaning of the braid became clear to me. Since these were no longer round but flat, they could be wrapped very well and tightly around the yard and securely nailed down.
Since I still had a main topgallant yard as scrap from making the yards, I was able to try out attaching the braids to it. The result can be seen in the next picture.
I think that's how I'll ultimately implement it at the topgallant yards.
Sequel follows …
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Your mastery at rigging gives me headache...
What can be added? Your work is sensational, as is your chronicling of it.
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masterpiece!!!!!@Uwek
Hello Uwe,
today I can't surprise you with anything new, unfortunately it's about an old braid ...
Continuation: Equipment of the main topgallant yard – Vergue de grand perroquet
The next step was the production of the quarter blocks. In the first picture you can see the quarter blocks with a length of 3.0 mm that have already been provided with strops. At the top left of this picture I show these double blocks compared to a guide block that is used on the deck to redirect the topsail sheets.
View attachment 423069
Here the assembly of the quarter blocks is nearing completion.
View attachment 423070
Before I started making the footropes for the main topgallant yards, I tried to fundamentally clarify the execution details for the topgallant yards.
In this context, I found what I was looking for in the contemporary specialist literature “Manuel de Greement” by F. A. Coste from 1829 on pages 120/121. Accordingly, the footropes of the top gallantyards of the yardarms each extended slightly beyond the center of the yard, where they were then attached. These footropes could not be tensioned with lanyards like those of the lower yards and topsail yards.
Since the brams of the La Créole did not yet have a jackstage, unlike the lower yards and topsail yards, the stirrups were designed and attached in the conventional manner. This means that the ropes of the stirrups were braided and looped around the yard with two to three turns. The ends of the braids, also known as plating (in German, I don't know the English name), were fastened with flat-headed nails with leather washers.
As F. A. Coste describes, the number of stirrups in the topgallant yards must be chosen depending on the yard length. For a corvette like the La Créole, one stirrup per half of the yard should be sufficient.
To make the stirrups, I was able to find the following in the specialist book “The Ashley Books of Knots” by C. W. Ashley:
View attachment 423071
Of course I had the ambition to implement this detail for my Corvette too. After tying in the thimble, the braid was made after unraveling the rope of the stirrup. This is how the meaning of the braid became clear to me. Since these were no longer round but flat, they could be wrapped very well and tightly around the yard and securely nailed down.
Since I still had a main topgallant yard as scrap from making the yards, I was able to try out attaching the braids to it. The result can be seen in the next picture.
View attachment 423068
I think that's how I'll ultimately implement it at the topgallant yards.
Sequel follows …
you surprise me with every post my friend.today I can't surprise you with anything new, unfortunately it's about an old braid ...
permanent repeating this highest quality is also a miracle for me....
What I would like to ask
- is everything working well just with the first try, or do you need also some attempts to get the results you want?
Maybe once you have to show us the "garbage" working steps until you get the final perfect result
Personally I hope that you produce also sometimes some garbage.....
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@Uwek
Hello Uwe,
I can reassure you.
It doesn't always work on the first try. As I have already described using an example at the main topgallant yard, and as I have often done in the past, I often do experiments to find out whether it works the way I imagined it would or whether I should look for a different solution.
I can therefore fulfill your hope, I also often produce garbage...
Hello Uwe,
I can reassure you.
It doesn't always work on the first try. As I have already described using an example at the main topgallant yard, and as I have often done in the past, I often do experiments to find out whether it works the way I imagined it would or whether I should look for a different solution.
I can therefore fulfill your hope, I also often produce garbage...
Good morning Johann quick question about the above book title, is this the right book?
