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Ciao, forse da questa foto vedi meglio i dettagli
Hi, maybe from this picture you can see the details better
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Le Commerce de Marseille 1788 - 1801 scale 1:48 from Gerard Delacroix
Ciao, forse da questa foto vedi meglio i dettagli
Hi, maybe from this picture you can see the details better
Thank you Michele, this photo did help decide what to do... Either the keel or the frame needed to be changed, your picture showed me I needed to adapt the keel.. These photos shows the result...
The frames I made using a kind of platform which I could lift on one side and put through a thicknesser, In this way the frame gradually becomes thinner the more you go towards the keel...
And the provisional endresult....
Not the endresult Michele managed to create, but I am reasonably satisfied... The sanding and final editing still needs to be done....
The frames I made using a kind of platform which I could lift on one side and put through a thicknesser, In this way the frame gradually becomes thinner the more you go towards the keel...
And the provisional endresult....
Not the endresult Michele managed to create, but I am reasonably satisfied... The sanding and final editing still needs to be done....
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The remainder of the bow are frames called hawse-timbers. They kind of fall into each other. Difficult to describe, I think the pictures will explain.
These frames have different angles in which they must be finished. See picture below:
I copied this angle in a template that I used with the router. By sticking the hawse-timber to this template with double-sided tape, I was able to mill the correct angle in the timber...
It concerns 10 timbers on each side, but only three of these extend all the way to the keel, the others rest on an underlying timber, see below...
This means that first timbers 1, 6 and 10 are placed, then 2, 4 and 8, and then 3, 5, 7 and 9 are fitted with spacers (see further in this report)...
In the photos below, 1, 6, 10 and also 2 have already been placed...
Then 4 and 8 (and 3 already dry-fit without spacers)...
Now the last ones that first have been fitted with spacers...
These frames have different angles in which they must be finished. See picture below:
I copied this angle in a template that I used with the router. By sticking the hawse-timber to this template with double-sided tape, I was able to mill the correct angle in the timber...
It concerns 10 timbers on each side, but only three of these extend all the way to the keel, the others rest on an underlying timber, see below...
This means that first timbers 1, 6 and 10 are placed, then 2, 4 and 8, and then 3, 5, 7 and 9 are fitted with spacers (see further in this report)...
In the photos below, 1, 6, 10 and also 2 have already been placed...
Then 4 and 8 (and 3 already dry-fit without spacers)...
Now the last ones that first have been fitted with spacers...
And when all timbers are placed it looks like this:
It is not even very noticeable in the photo, but especially port side has not become so good. The frames are not mounted very flat to eachother, as can be seen in the last photo. Of course everything still has to be finished, maybe it won't be that bad, but I will certainly have to do some damage control.... With what I know now I would certainly have done it differently, but I'm going to go ahead, with all the work and time that went into this, don't do it again... What I encountered in the development of this bow in particular was that I wanted to go too fast, and therefore didn't have enough patience.... Not handy in such a phase....
It is not even very noticeable in the photo, but especially port side has not become so good. The frames are not mounted very flat to eachother, as can be seen in the last photo. Of course everything still has to be finished, maybe it won't be that bad, but I will certainly have to do some damage control.... With what I know now I would certainly have done it differently, but I'm going to go ahead, with all the work and time that went into this, don't do it again... What I encountered in the development of this bow in particular was that I wanted to go too fast, and therefore didn't have enough patience.... Not handy in such a phase....
I hope you are pleasantly surprised how nice a little fairing/sanding will make the bow frames look. Thank you for sharing the excellent photos documenting your work!
Very good progress - and the bow structure is one of the most complicated area of such a model..... and the bow of the Commerce is not an easy one 
so also very good work my friend. I guess you learnt a lot and the second bow will get much easier, faster and also better
You will see after the first sanding of the bow, if you can live with the result - I am crossing the fingers
so also very good work my friend. I guess you learnt a lot and the second bow will get much easier, faster and also better
You will see after the first sanding of the bow, if you can live with the result - I am crossing the fingers
Thank you Brad and Uwe for commenting, I'll share more photos after some sanding is done, but first I have to figure out if and where there are spacers needed on the half frames, didn't see anything so far about this in the drawings.
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Quick update... Port turned out not too bad, but starboard did, the timbers were placed too far inside...
I tried a (for me) new trick... Remove the wrongly placed timbers by weaken the glue with water... It went surprisingly easy...
I hope this ship never falls into water... I'll have a 3d-puzzle in no time
I tried a (for me) new trick... Remove the wrongly placed timbers by weaken the glue with water... It went surprisingly easy...
I hope this ship never falls into water... I'll have a 3d-puzzle in no time
Ronald, despite this bump in the road, you are doing a fantastic job. This is a valuable learning experience for all of us - especially for me, as I have not done this kind of modeling before. Bon Courage, as the French say!
Because of such situations I am also working mainly with water based wood glue - good to see, that you are able to change the elements
Thanks for the uplifting comments!
I put the bow together again... It is not perfect, but I believe good enough... Did some preliminary sanding and it looks okay...
Alongside the keel much more sanding is needed for the planks to fall into the rabbit...
I put the bow together again... It is not perfect, but I believe good enough... Did some preliminary sanding and it looks okay...
Alongside the keel much more sanding is needed for the planks to fall into the rabbit...
And for no other reason then that I like looking at them, some photos of the complete build so far..
Looking very good - and very good that you changed the bow elements 
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Just... wow!Looking very good - and very good that you changed the bow elements
Hi Ronald,
Even if you use watertight PVA glue you can solve it with Acetone.
I use just a cotton tip with acetone it penetrates into the glue surface and you can rather easily remove the parts with a knive.
Even if you use watertight PVA glue you can solve it with Acetone.
I use just a cotton tip with acetone it penetrates into the glue surface and you can rather easily remove the parts with a knive.
Thanks for the positive reactions! And thanks for the tip of using aceton with PVA glue....
For now I am preparing the other frames
For now I am preparing the other frames
Hallo @RonaldFinally I can start this thread where I can share my progress on a project I wanted to start a long time ago... Ever since I saw the plan's of this ship I was attracted to it. I love three-deck galleons and this is really a beauty. I decided to build it in scale 1:48 instead of 1:72 to be able to add al lot of detail... But to be honest, I don't think I can finish this ship. It probably is to complicated, to many problems to overcome. The main reason to start it however, is to challenge myself and see how far I will be able to build this model, that is the adventure....
I do have a big advantage because on this forum there are 2 threads describing the building of this ship.
I prepared this project first by creating a room that I can use as a workshop.
Second I bought some tools I think is necessary for the job, a byrnes tablesaw and a Proxxon MF70 milling machine.... And ofcourse, ordering the plans from ancre.fr...
So, let's get started
we wish you all the BEST and a HAPPY BIRTHDAY
Enjoy your special day
Hallo Ronald
First of all I wish you a Happy Birthday.
I have been reading up your build log and admire your attitude and courage to start a build you are not certain you are able to finish successfully.
I only started my first build and would not have dreamt to start a POF build. Placing of the bulkheads on the keel and certainly the stern and bow are very complicated and hard to understand if you do not have detailed drawings nor the experience. I must say it was more of a mystery to me until I had read several building threads and are now getting an idea how it should be done. Therefore I, and many others, can learn a lot from someone who is on adventure in the world of POF
.
With all the help you are offered I am convinced you are getting there and have already reached a marvelous result.
I wish you all the best.
Herman
First of all I wish you a Happy Birthday.
I have been reading up your build log and admire your attitude and courage to start a build you are not certain you are able to finish successfully.
I only started my first build and would not have dreamt to start a POF build. Placing of the bulkheads on the keel and certainly the stern and bow are very complicated and hard to understand if you do not have detailed drawings nor the experience. I must say it was more of a mystery to me until I had read several building threads and are now getting an idea how it should be done. Therefore I, and many others, can learn a lot from someone who is on adventure in the world of POF
.With all the help you are offered I am convinced you are getting there and have already reached a marvelous result.
I wish you all the best.
Herman
Hope you have a great birthday Ronald. All the best!