L'Orenoque Mamoli 1:100 scale

[The Gavel]

I decided to do a mockup of the fore and mainmasts based on the lengths given in the Magellan plans. 28 meters lower masts 20 meters topmasts. So, 280mm, less the distance from the bottom of the keel to the top of the deck (yellow line) and then 200mm less 40mm doubling (red line). Looks very tall - too tall?

 

[dockattner]

Happy anniversary to you both!

 

[Martin By Eye]

I decided to do a mockup of the fore and mainmasts based on the lengths given in the Magellan plans. 28 meters lower masts 20 meters topmasts. So, 280mm, less the distance from the bottom of the keel to the top of the deck (yellow line) and then 200mm less 40mm doubling (red line). Looks very tall - too tall?

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Magellen gives 17M for the topmasts , not 20 so you are probably 3CM too tall.

 

[Martin By Eye]

happy anniversary, may there be many more.

 

[Namabiiru]

Happy anniversary, Chuck! And thanks for the lovely card!

 

[The Gavel]

Magellen gives 17M for the topmasts , not 20 so you are probably 3CM too tall.

Martin! Thank you, for the correction. I transposed the 20 m from somewhere. My number dyslexia is why I became a lawyer

 

[The Gavel]

Magellen gives 17M for the topmasts , not 20 so you are probably 3CM too tall.

So with that correction and some other adjustments I have the heights and proportions of the masts figured out. They will be just a little taller than the first versions and definitely not so spindly

 

[GrantTyler]

Grant! Thank you for the compliment!

BTW I've been meaning to write about the case you built for Bounty. You should be very, very, very happy with the price. I know you assembled the case yourself, but the materials were amazingly inexpensive. All of my models are in plex cases with plex bases - here's the shocker - The cases cost me almost $400 each. And I have to drive 4.5 hours, round trip, to pick them up Although I can't say for certain that Billig's HMS Warrior is the next on the stocks, she is here and calling my name - the case will be something like twice the price

Blessings. Peace. Gratitude.
Chuck

Good morning Chuck. Wow that is crazy expensive. Include the petrol (gas I think you guys call it) and that is no cheap case. Eish!

If HMS Warrior calls your name you should answer- she will be an impressive Chuck model.
Cheers Grant

 

[GrantTyler]

(boxwood from South Africa)

Hey…..now I’m “bummed”….I cannot find any boxwood here but you guys in the US get it. Highway robbery I tell you

 

[Martin By Eye]

The kit at 1:100 has Warrior building out at 5ft long!

Wow ! That's crazy big ! Someone is building it on FB but i didn't really cotton to the size. You'll be getting a new house for your thirteenth anniversary , then , or just moving in to the Warrior !

 

[dockattner]

Hey…..now I’m “bummed”….I cannot find any boxwood here but you guys in the US get it. Highway robbery I tell you

I believe I have personally moved the dial on SA's economy...

 

[The Gavel]

What ho, shipmates! First, thank you for the anniversary wishes! We had a good weekend!

Second, here's the re-do on the sticks. A little more heft is better - thank you, Paul! Next time don't wait to tell me that something is out of scale !

As you can see, and even if you can't, I could, the doubling of the bowsprit and jibboom leaves too much room between the two. Yes, I re-did that! Happily, I was able to cut the caps in half and scrape the remainder from the spars - I did a less than throrugh glue job! Yes, I glued them up - impatience!!!!! At least I didn't have to re-re-re-turn those spars.

The tips of the topmasts are all about or approximately 2mm. That's 7.87 inches. Too thick? Paul - looking at you

Have a beautiful day!

Blessings. Peace. Gratitude.
Chuck

 

[The Gavel]

I decided, after the re-re-re-do of the bowsprit and jibboom, to glue the caps, make and install bees and the jibboom rigging spreader called for in the plans. I think I still need to thin the arms of the spreader a bit. Here you go!

 

[The Gavel]

What ho, shipmates!

Progress, at a glacial pace, is being made. Questions now. Pictures later.

Mast hoops: Yes because jackstays weren't a thing yet - at least not aboard these ships. So, mast hoops on all lower masts. Mast hoops on mizzen topmast?

Woulding: On lower masts? All three?

Crows feet? - I'm itching to do it on the fore and main and with Martin's theory that the French Navy was a decade or so behing in adopting modern rigging practices - puts the rigging around 1835 - Please someone stop me!!!!

Blessings. Peace. Gratitude.
Chuck

 

[Jimsky]

Hi, Chuck.

Since I couldn’t find specific original plans for L’Orenoque itself in my library, the answers are based on how similar era ships were handled and general rigging practice.

According to: Elements and Practice of Rigging and Seamanship, traditional square-rigged sailing ships (even late ones like L’Orenoque still had) often used hoops on mast sections where spars and rigging pass around the mast, mostly on lower masts, and often on topmasts too, depending on construction. Mast hoops help keep the spars (yards/topyards) aligned and rigging manageable. So expect hoops on the lower masts and also on the mizzen topmast if it carried spars or if rigging passed around it.

• Lower masts: nearly always have hoops where shrouds and tackles pass.
• Topmasts often do have hoops too, but fewer and smaller than on lowers.
• Mizzen topmast: yes, if it carried yards or stays, it would usually have hoops sized for those lines.

Woulding (Wooling?) on Lower Masts — All Three?

On ships of this period, you would generally wrap the mast with thin strips of wood or canvas before serving with rope (“woulding” or sometimes spelled wooling), to protect it and create a smooth surface for shrouds/serving. Normally, it should served all three lower masts that had shrouds and tackles.

• Lower masts very often were served/woolded where shrouds, stays, deadeyes and hoops were rigged.
• It was common practice on all three lower masts where rigging loads concentrated.

Crow’s Feet?
Crow’s feet are small lines that go from the mast top rim outward to stays or yard lines to keep canvas, studsails, or awnings clear of the mast and tops. They are a rigging feature you see on many period sailing ships.

• They usually run through holes on the rim of the mast top and attach back to stays or to blocks on the rigging.
• Their function is to keep the foot of the sail from rubbing on the top or rigging and to support canvas/awnings.
• They’re not structural — they’re rigging detail.

So crow’s feet can be included around the mast top if you want that level of accuracy — especially if the top has euphroe or holes for them.

 

[Martin By Eye]

I would say hoops for the lower mast gaffs, but i would set the mizzen topsail flying.
wooldings or some sort of iron band are plainly visible on this picture
crows feet i have no idea, but 1835 , why not, if it gives you pleasure , not understood the attraction myself...