Vasa - 1:65 DeAgostini [COMPLETED BUILD]

Maarten said:
Hi Paul,

Great work as always. Oh no sorry there is room for improvement :cool:
You can add the "allemanseindje" to your seat of not so ease.
It is just a little piece of rope with untwisted end tight to the railing and hang down through the toilet into the water. See below how it is done on Batavia.
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Hmm. We'll see. Technically that's rigging so it will have to wait. Do you think 's' twist or 'z' twist would be more comfortable?
 
I can tell you, I have made numerous mistakes and miscalculations on my current project. Some I could correct; some I could alter to seem as though they were part of the design; some were too far into the build to reckon with. Most observers will never pick them out. I, of course know where they are, but that was all part of the journey. There’s no such thing as a perfect model.

I will say, though, that I have rarely seen as nicely constructed a head, even on some of the best historical models. It is sometimes comforting to look closely at some of the more famous dockyard models; they are all works of art, but the effort varies, throughout the models. I often think that the models being made today, often far exceed the standards from centuries ago.
 
dockattner said:
Hmm. We'll see. Technically that's rigging so it will have to wait. Do you think 's' twist or 'z' twist would be more comfortable?
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Most rope is right hand twist. In fact I don't even know if you can buy left hand twist, which is why I purchased a rope making machine. I am still trying to figure out what ropes where right hand twist and which were left hand twist. So far I read that standing rigging is left hand twist.

I found this sketch somewhere, I don't remember the source, just to make it clear what S and Z twist are. So when I say left I mean S and when I say right I mean Z.


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dockattner said:
No worries guys; I am not offended in any way. I have been laughing right alongside you (and sometimes AT you :p)...

And also working on my ship...

This morning I wrapped up the beakhead for the time being. There are all sorts of painted castings that need to be attached but I don't think they're all painted yet and I'm not in the mood for painting right now. I'll probably save that for a winter activity.

I added some tiny angle brackets to the transverse pin rails and reworked the comfort stations...

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And oiled her down for a night on the town:

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I also painted the outboard surface of the bulwark:

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That may look a bit wonky right now but there will be a parade of Roman emperors and other adornments installed later on...

Here is the big picture as of today:

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Looking back I see I spent nearly a month on this scratch-built beakhead. It was a really fun and challenging project that I'm glad I took on. I think the kit supplied parts could have been put together in an afternoon so I'm not sure I passed the test of common sense - but I learned a lot and picked up some scroll saw skills along the way.

I think I'm going to figure out chain wales (channels?) and chain plates next. Or maybe not.

As always I am delighted you stop by to visit on occasion.
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Beautiful work!
 
Again another tidbit of information that I have in my information repository. Sorry I don't know the source:

All lines for sail handling - sheets, tacks, halyards, downhauls, braces are 'z' all shrouds and larger stays are 's' as they are made from 'z' line.
 
Jack Sparrow said:
Most rope is right hand twist. In fact I don't even know if you can buy left hand twist, which is why I purchased a rope making machine. I am still trying to figure out what ropes where right hand twist and which were left hand twist. So far I read that standing rigging is left hand twist.

I found this sketch somewhere, I don't remember the source, just to make it clear what S and Z twist are. So when I say left I mean S and when I say right I mean Z.


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Wikipedia...
 
Jack Sparrow said:
Again another tidbit of information that I have in my information repository. Sorry I don't know the source:

All lines for sail handling - sheets, tacks, halyards, downhauls, braces are 'z' all shrouds and larger stays are 's' as they are made from 'z' line.
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Tremendous insight - this is something I was wondering, myself, recently. This makes perfect logical sense. Thanks for posting!
 
And since I'm feeling nostalgic: there was a time in my younger life when I was free to walk out on Batavia's sprit-mast to the top, in the hours before the museum opened to the public. For the three months I worked on the Werf, in 2003, every morning we went through the ship and cleared away all the webs from the Lelystad spiders that populated the ship. The spiders, themselves, were a decent size, but completely harmless. From a work perspective, these were some of the best times of my life! I replaced a fair amount of wood on that ship, some of which I'm sure has already been replaced all over again.
 
Hubac’s Historian said:
'Cuz I'm just that kind of Jerk, Paul, I was macro-ing your macros on my desktop, and the work STILL holds up under extreme magnification. You pay very close attention to the tiny details.
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Now that's truly funny Marc (that kind of a jerk...). I believe you and I would be friends in real life.

I sometimes think macros create glue residue that doesn't actually exist. I believe it is the work of Satan.

Hubac’s Historian said:
I can tell you, I have made numerous mistakes and miscalculations on my current project. Some I could correct; some I could alter to seem as though they were part of the design; some were too far into the build to reckon with. Most observers will never pick them out. I, of course know where they are, but that was all part of the journey. There’s no such thing as a perfect model.

I will say, though, that I have rarely seen as nicely constructed a head, even on some of the best historical models. It is sometimes comforting to look closely at some of the more famous dockyard models; they are all works of art, but the effort varies, throughout the models. I often think that the models being made today, often far exceed the standards from centuries ago.
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I will add that the beakhead on the Wasa is a magnificent piece of architectural eye-candy. It would be hard to do her wrong. I have even been considering taking a glamour shot and making it my avatar.

Hubac’s Historian said:
And since I'm feeling nostalgic: there was a time in my younger life when I was free to walk out on Batavia's sprit-mast to the top, in the hours before the museum opened to the public. For the three months I worked on the Werf, in 2003, every morning we went through the ship and cleared away all the webs from the Lelystad spiders that populated the ship. The spiders, themselves, were a decent size, but completely harmless. From a work perspective, these were some of the best times of my life! I replaced a fair amount of wood on that ship, some of which I'm sure has already been replaced all over again.
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I love this story. Thanks for sharing it.

Actual question (anyone can answer): are the channels (chain wale) perpendicular to the hull or parallel to the waterline? (I'm thinking the former.)
 
Jack Sparrow said:
Again another tidbit of information that I have in my information repository. Sorry I don't know the source:

All lines for sail handling - sheets, tacks, halyards, downhauls, braces are 'z' all shrouds and larger stays are 's' as they are made from 'z' line.
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Can of worms now opened, or open mouth insert foot. Not sure which one is more appropriate:
Thus far I have been using a caliper to measure the thickness of the final rope, but it is very difficult. If anyone has a better suggestion, your help would be appreciated.
Also, is there a way to determine the final rope thickness based on the size of the initial threads?
 
Jack Sparrow said:
Can of worms now opened, or open mouth insert foot. Not sure which one is more appropriate:
Thus far I have been using a caliper to measure the thickness of the final rope, but it is very difficult. If anyone has a better suggestion, your help would be appreciated.
Also, is there a way to determine the final rope thickness based on the size of the initial threads?
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One suggested wrapping it tightly around a mast or dowel 10 times and measuring with a caliper. Then divide what you measured by 10. That way, you don't compress the line with your caliper.
 
Jack Sparrow said:
Can of worms now opened, or open mouth insert foot. Not sure which one is more appropriate:
Thus far I have been using a caliper to measure the thickness of the final rope, but it is very difficult. If anyone has a better suggestion, your help would be appreciated.
Also, is there a way to determine the final rope thickness based on the size of the initial threads?
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I have found these two charts to be a great help in my rope making efforts.

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