Now I see, thanks Paul you just solved a major mystery for me.
Vasa - 1:65 DeAgostini [COMPLETED BUILD]
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Paul that is horrid and for you to still see some laughter there in...says heaps.
I see the Victory also has the stays looping around the shrouds and a sling up over the cap - well per some drawings I have been looking at.
A friend who is a "marine archaeologist"told me re.rigging to consider the force needed the angles involved and what you would do in full size and that will be pretty close to correct.
That sounds like the running backstay for the mizzen topmast, Daniel.
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Hi Kurt, I tend to agree with you on that. In fact, that is what I'll do with it unless some new data comes up, thanks.
Thanks again Paul. The main stay is considerably larger than the shroud lines. I'm going with 1.25mm on the main shrouds but 1.3 on the mainstay so I will be considerably off in scale. I cannot make anything larger than 1.3mm and I don't want to go any smaller on the main shrouds, so I'm stuck with the scale.
And I think it just runs to the center chainplate on the channel Daniel. It may just tie off on itself or a shroud (at least I have seen that done with running backstays). Right now, my plan is to rig it like a lifting tackle with a violin block - or maybe not.
Hi Paul,My dear model ship building colleagues. I spent the past several days re-reading your words of praise and admiration for my work and I have come to the conclusion that I am a truly special human being possessing otherworldly modeling skills. Thank you for showing me the simple truth that was right before me all this time.
As evidence - see here my latest work of inspiration: shrouds hanging loosely from the foremast...
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And then (I CAN HARDLY CONTAIN MYSELF) witness these perfectly served lines!
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But wait! There's more! Check out this stack around the masthead! (Take a seat if you find yourself swooning.)
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Breathtaking, isn't it!
And now, for my piece-de-resistance - the deadeye rigging...
Wait for it...
Never mind. The WHOLE THING IS A TOTAL SCREWUP. The shrouds are too %#$@*&%^ short and I have to start all over again...
He, he, he. Never let it be said that I take myself too seriously...
Are the dead eyes already installed?
If not turn the rigging 180 deg and maybe you can save it.
At least you now never forget you start with the forward one.
.Btw I would still visit you when I need a a pair of braces.
I have larger right-hand rope Daniel - I'll send you some if you like. I have made 1.4 and 1.8 (both nominal sizes). I'm actually working on 1.6 for my main stay but haven't figured out the formula yet (I am building at 1:65). Your main mast lower shroud sounds too big - I'm thinking closer to 0.8.
Thanks for the offer, Paul but it just dawned on me I can combine some of my 0.5mm and come up with larger than 1.3mm. I will stay with 1.25 on the main, which is slightly too big and drop back to 1.0 on the fore and mizzen shrouds, which also both are a little too big, but I wish to present them as very prominent features.
Hello again, friends. I have now recovered from my mistake on the foremast shrouds. I managed to recycle several of the pairs by moving them from back to front but still needed to make additional longer sets to replace the ones that were too short. What caused this problem? Trying to use the least amount of rope possible. When you make, cook, and tint your own ropes the waste is painful. Of course, at the end of the day I ended up wasting rope in an effort to save rope.
For future builders - the roughed-in shrouds need to drop just below the channels (when aligned with the deadeye they run to).
As a result of my re-do I only finished one deadeye pair:
The shroud is 0.66 mm; the lanyard just about 0.36 mm. I have left the tail on the shroud long for now pending future tensioning - and the lanyard is just temporarily tied off as well.
If you would be so kind - please suggest corrections and improvements to what you see here. If I have this right, I may disappear for a while, but I'll be back when the foremast shrouds are rigged.
As always, I am humbled (and grateful) for your interest in my build.
For future builders - the roughed-in shrouds need to drop just below the channels (when aligned with the deadeye they run to).
As a result of my re-do I only finished one deadeye pair:
The shroud is 0.66 mm; the lanyard just about 0.36 mm. I have left the tail on the shroud long for now pending future tensioning - and the lanyard is just temporarily tied off as well.
If you would be so kind - please suggest corrections and improvements to what you see here. If I have this right, I may disappear for a while, but I'll be back when the foremast shrouds are rigged.
As always, I am humbled (and grateful) for your interest in my build.
Smart salvage work, Paul.
Paul FYI - use some caution in later rigging - On my completed Vasa - over time in its case, there were too many pressure points (from where???) resulting in the foremast having pulled itself forward of vertical - yikes. Not at its base but from the topsail and topgallant areas - including the lower foremast platform angling down from horisontal . Really annoying - too complicated to fix. I can send you a PM with an image of where the problem is - Might help you later?
Regards,
Regards,
Please. I would love to see what happened and use that information in my own build.
Noted - will send you some images - cheers
You have owned this Paul. Well done on your salvage and thanks to the other contributions - learn loads from these discussions. Cheers
An intermezzo...
I promised you that I would be back when the foremast shrouds were completed but I have run out of lanyard rope (ALREADY?!?) so I turned my attention to the foremast stay.
This line is looped over the shrouds at the masthead and feeds through itself with a 'mouse' to prevent a noose from forming around the mast. First up was making a loop at the end of a 1.4 mm rope (served). Here is what I ended up with:
Next, I needed to figure out how to make a mouse. My resource books both suggested using a wrap of wool to create the proper shape and then weaving thread around that clump of wool to sheathe the mouse. I couldn't make that work.
I then remembered that my Domanoff serving machine has an auxiliary disc that could be used to make a woven mouse. I couldn't make that work either (my bad not the tool's). Indeed, @PGN (Paul) used the same machine to create a masterful rendition at a similar scale to my Vasa. Sigh...
Respect to you Paul!
So, I drilled a hole in the center of a small wooden rod and cut off a section (roughly 5 mm long) to form a wooden infrastructure for my mouse:
I then slid that piece on a toothpick (to use as a handle) and used sanding sticks and sandpaper to create the proper shape:
I then slide that wooden bit onto my rope and glued it in place...and then served over the whole thing:
Not woven but I can work with this.
Here it is on the ship:
And now the working end:
Yes, that is one wacky lanyard. From the Vasawarship forum I learned that the rigging sequence begins at the strop of the 4-holed block and is actually two distinct ropes (the left side mirrors the right side). I haven't figured out how to tie off these lines yet, but I still have time - I'm leaving everything loose for now pending future tensioning.
The overall picture:
One line = one day. At this rate...
Thanks for taking time away from your own builds to visit mine. You are appreciated!
I promised you that I would be back when the foremast shrouds were completed but I have run out of lanyard rope (ALREADY?!?) so I turned my attention to the foremast stay.
This line is looped over the shrouds at the masthead and feeds through itself with a 'mouse' to prevent a noose from forming around the mast. First up was making a loop at the end of a 1.4 mm rope (served). Here is what I ended up with:
Next, I needed to figure out how to make a mouse. My resource books both suggested using a wrap of wool to create the proper shape and then weaving thread around that clump of wool to sheathe the mouse. I couldn't make that work.
I then remembered that my Domanoff serving machine has an auxiliary disc that could be used to make a woven mouse. I couldn't make that work either (my bad not the tool's). Indeed, @PGN (Paul) used the same machine to create a masterful rendition at a similar scale to my Vasa. Sigh...
Respect to you Paul!
So, I drilled a hole in the center of a small wooden rod and cut off a section (roughly 5 mm long) to form a wooden infrastructure for my mouse:
I then slid that piece on a toothpick (to use as a handle) and used sanding sticks and sandpaper to create the proper shape:
I then slide that wooden bit onto my rope and glued it in place...and then served over the whole thing:
Not woven but I can work with this.
Here it is on the ship:
And now the working end:
Yes, that is one wacky lanyard. From the Vasawarship forum I learned that the rigging sequence begins at the strop of the 4-holed block and is actually two distinct ropes (the left side mirrors the right side). I haven't figured out how to tie off these lines yet, but I still have time - I'm leaving everything loose for now pending future tensioning.
The overall picture:
One line = one day. At this rate...
Thanks for taking time away from your own builds to visit mine. You are appreciated!
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