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Artesania Latina Anatomy of Lord Nelson’s HMS Victory 1805

TonyJ said:
Splendid work Alan, well done with those bracing bars. Definitely more fiddly work and no doubt more to come. :confused:
I think investment in a mini lathe for the posts and tapering dowels maybe a wise investment. I'm ploughing on with the San Francisco will try to put some pics up when I complete the first planking.
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Interesting that you both advocate a mini lathe, if you don’t possess one then I suppose you have to sand them down by hand individually, longer job then, but in the grand scheme of things what’s a few more hours.
Interesting seeing Artesania Latina commenting on the build, I have dealt with them very recently regarding purchasing the Sopwith Camel and they had an issue with the processing of the order. But they were brilliant in delivering and their communication with me. Top company.
Thank you Alan for posting your build, love it.
 
GIG23 said:
Hallo Alan,

Ich bin durch Zufall auf deinen Baubericht zur HMS Victory gestoßen. Dieser Bausatz von AL ist aktuell das Beste, was man für das Geld bekommen kann. Einfach unglaublich detailliert. Ein Traum. Natürlich passt es an der einen oder anderen Stelle nicht ganz so gut und man muss nacharbeiten. Aber das hat Charakter und das ist ja auch die Herausforderung eines Modellbauers.
Ich habe mir diesen Bausatz auch gekauft und werde ihn bauen. Jetzt bin ich mit der Athena beschäftigt. Das ist ein Umbau der Black Swan von OcCre. Wer wirklich gute Informationen zur Victory haben möchte, dem empfehle ich die Bücher „The Anatomy of Nelsons Ships“ von C. Nepean Longride und „HMS Victory her Construction, Career and Restoration“ von Alan McGowan. Auch über die Munitionsfächer und deren Position. Wenn ich darf, verfolge ich deinen Baubericht, der wirklich interessant ist. Tolle Bilder und tolle Arbeit.

Grüße
Günter

Bitte entschuldigen Sie mein Englisch, es ist nicht so gut. Ich hoffe wirklich, dass Sie mich verstehen können.
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Hi Günter
Thank you for your comments
I have both those books and others as I did the DelPrsdo HMS Victory part work many years ago that was very poor in both quality and accuracy. I used these books to help me transform it into a much more accurate depiction of the ship
Regards
Alan

Hallo Günter, vielen Dank für deine Kommentare. Ich besitze diese und weitere Bücher, da ich vor vielen Jahren an der DelPrsdo HMS Victory gearbeitet habe, die sowohl qualitativ als auch akkurat war. Mithilfe dieser Bücher konnte ich das Schiff nun viel präziser darstellen.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen
 
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DARIVS ARCHITECTVS said:
OUCHY!
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OUCHY indeed
Soon after I retired I had some ultrasound injections (which were extremely painful in themselves :D) to ease the pain, but that only lasted a few months before gradually coming back. The next option is to have the trapezium bone removed. I don’t know what the effect of having shorter thumbs would be but the biggest issue for me is the 3 month recovery period for each hand where I could obviously not use the hand
As I no longer work the pain is minimal most of the time but certain actions cause increased discomfort
So my plan is just to take it as it comes and soldier on
Regards
Alan
 
DennisP said:
Interesting that you both advocate a mini lathe, if you don’t possess one then I suppose you have to sand them down by hand individually, longer job then, but in the grand scheme of things what’s a few more hours.
Interesting seeing Artesania Latina commenting on the build, I have dealt with them very recently regarding purchasing the Sopwith Camel and they had an issue with the processing of the order. But they were brilliant in delivering and their communication with me. Top company.
Thank you Alan for posting your build, love it.
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Hi Dennis
Thanks for your comments
I have also had good experiences with their communications and shipping
Regarding the lathe , I did not have one but purchased mine for this task, they aren’t overly expensive, as I’m sure there will be many more to do as I move up through the decks. As you say, a few more hours on this massive project is not much, but at 73 I do want to finish it before I pop my clogs :D
Also with my hand issues it made sense
Regards
Alan
 
Something I’ve noticed in video #17, although the gun port linings seem to finish approximately flush with the inside of the planking on the outer hull (pic 1) which would seem to be correct for the flush fitting of the gun port lids, on the inside of the hull the video shows a flush fitting to the outer edge of the planking (pic 2). In reality mine finish flush with the inner edge of the planking (pic3)
It looks like this will effect the position of the holes for the eyebolts on the gun rigging as I have temporarily fitted the hole gig in one of the ports. How they achieved this it does not say apart from the mention of making a paste from CA glue and talcum power while showing fitting the bow most lining which actually doesn’t look set that far back
Filling all the gun port edges with filler would be a lot of work and messy so I’ve ordered some 1x1mm hardwood strip to make up the difference with hopefully minimal sanding/filling
My internal and external linings are shown in pics 3 & 4

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Hi Alan
Interesting. I note that at one point he seems to push the lining back with a file against his finger as if he is making it flush with the very inside of the planking?
Is there any chance that the planking on the inside of the hull should sit slightly higher than the skeleton frame work? This would then cause the lining to be flush (I think). Then this still would not explain any misalignment left and right. Having not inspected the parts this is just conjecture. With the lining parts being precut you have no play.
As for filling any misalignment with filler, that just seems way to complicated and messy.
Regards
Tony
 
TonyJ said:
Hi Alan
Interesting. I note that at one point he seems to push the lining back with a file against his finger as if he is making it flush with the very inside of the planking?
Is there any chance that the planking on the inside of the hull should sit slightly higher than the skeleton frame work? This would then cause the lining to be flush (I think). Then this still would not explain any misalignment left and right. Having not inspected the parts this is just conjecture. With the lining parts being precut you have no play.
As for filling any misalignment with filler, that just seems way to complicated and messy.
Regards
Tony
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I did think that myself but my planking is tight on the sub frame that’s why I used the plank bender on this deck , even so, on the straight sections it would be flush anyway
I did try putting a liner in so it was flush with the inside planking but that left a very deep recess on the outer side, and as you can see from pic 1, that is not the case on their model, and not how I want mine to look
The lining pieces are approximately 7mm deep as is the framing at tha level, that leaves the thickness of the planking on each side or a 3mm recess on one side.
Anyway, it’s done now so I’ll have to deal with it
Regards
Alan
 
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Hi Alan
I'm sure you will find an answer. The thin strips will look a lot better than filling too. Looking forward to my trip to see the Victory in September, I think she maybe still under and repair and covered up without masts. Will have to wait ans see.
Regards
Tony
 
TonyJ said:
Hi Alan
I'm sure you will find an answer. The thin strips will look a lot better than filling too. Looking forward to my trip to see the Victory in September, I think she maybe still under and repair and covered up without masts. Will have to wait ans see.
Regards
Tony
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I’m sure I will Tony
Enjoy your visit to Victory
I think I’ve located the parts that will be the gun port lids, they are on sheet 11 which is 1mm thick, that would make them about 3ft thick at scale which seems more likely. Take your tape measure with you in September :D
Regards
Alan
 
Nice work. :) Keep in mind the three pieces that make up the stops/linings in each port were no more than about 1.5 inches thick (0.5mm at 1:84 scale)
Allan
 
AlanOES said:
Hallo Günter
Vielen Dank für Ihre Kommentare
Ich besitze diese und weitere Bücher, da ich vor vielen Jahren an der DelPrsdo HMS Victory gearbeitet habe, die sowohl qualitativ als auch akkurat war. Mithilfe dieser Bücher konnte ich eine viel genauere Darstellung des Schiffes erstellen.
Grüße
Alan

Hallo Günter, vielen Dank für deine Kommentare. Ich besitze diese und weitere Bücher, da ich vor vielen Jahren an der DelPrsdo HMS Victory gearbeitet habe, die sowohl qualitativ als auch akkurat war. Mithilfe dieser Bücher konnte ich das Schiff nun viel präziser darstellen.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen
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Hello Alan,
Great work. I can only learn from you. It's really great. The Victory is currently being renovated and is under a huge tent.
Cool that you're going there in September. It's sure to be impressive. But take your time and check out the museum too. It's really worth it.

Best regards
Günther
 
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GIG23 said:
Hallo Alan,
Tolle Arbeit. Ich kann nur von dir lernen. Echt klasse. Die Victory wird gerade renoviert und liegt unter einem riesigen Zelt
Cool, dass du im September dorthin fährst. Es wird bestimmt beeindruckend. Aber nimm dir Zeit und schau dir auch das Museum an. Es lohnt sich wirklich.

Beste Grüße
Günther
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Hallo Günter, vielen Dank nochmal für deine netten Kommentare. TonyJ aus Australien ist im September zu Besuch. Ich lebe in Großbritannien und habe Victory im Laufe der Jahre oft besucht. Das letzte Mal war kurz nach der Einführung des neuen Farbschemas. Grüße, Alan

Hi Günter Thank you again for your kind comments. Its TonyJ from Australia thats visiting in September. I live in UK and have visited Victory many times over the years The last time was just after the new paint scheme was introduced Regards. Alan
 
Hello Alan,

Wow, I really envy you. I'll be traveling to HMS Victory every autumn next year. What a ship and what a story! I also bought this HMS Victory kit. Thumbs up.
It's truly the best kit out there. But I'm going to rebuild this one. I'm going to rebuild the 1756 Victory, in its early days. She was beautiful back then, too...Ship 1
I'm currently building the Athena. This is a Black Swan kit from OcCre. I'm rebuilding that one. Want to take a look? Here's the link.

Black Swan

Hello ladies and gentlemen, would like to write a build report on the Black Swan. The kit is from OcCre, is called Black Swan, and is relatively new on the market. It is in 1:75 scale.It has a medium difficulty level and is supposedly ideal for beginners. It has already been presented here in...
shipsofscale.com

Best regards

Günter
 
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GIG23 said:
Hallo Alan,

Wow, ich beneide dich wirklich. Ich werde nächstes Jahr in jedem Herbst zur HMS Victory reisen. Was für ein Schiff und was für eine Geschichte! Ich habe mir auch diesen Bausatz der HMS Victory gekauft. Daumen hoch
Es ist wirklich der beste Bausatz, den es gibt. Aber diese werde ich nachbauen. Ich werde die Victory von 1756 nachbauen, in ihren frühen Tagen. Sie war damals auch wunderschön...Schiff-1
Ich baue gerade die Athena. Dies ist ein Bausatz des Black Swan von OcCre. Ich baue diesen nach. Möchtest du mal reinschauen? Hier ist der Link.

Black Swan

Hello ladies and gentlemen, would like to write a build report on the Black Swan. The kit is from OcCre, is called Black Swan, and is relatively new on the market. It is in 1:75 scale.It has a medium difficulty level and is supposedly ideal for beginners. It has already been presented here in...
shipsofscale.com

Beste grüße
Günter
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Das sieht nach einem interessanten und anspruchsvollen Projekt aus, und der Umbau der Victory wird auch eine Herausforderung. Ich komme mit der Anleitung gerade so zurecht, haha. Viel Erfolg mit beidem und ich werde versuchen, deine Bauprotokolle zu befolgen. Grüße, Alan
 
Hi Alan,

Nice to see you. I'll certainly follow your build protocol, and if you need any help, I'll be happy to help.

Best regards,

Günter
 
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Hi Guys
Forgive my ignorance, is there some kind of translator built into this forum or is it a simple matter of copying and pasting Günter's Text into some third party software. Or Alan... do you just speak fluent German?
Regards
Tony
:)
 
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