17th Century Ship Design and the Sovereign of the Seas (1637)

Hi Barry;

Just to help with understanding the difference, here is a part of Van de Velde's drawing, which I believe was possibly made in 1660, and a part of Payne's engraving, showing the ladder mentioned. There is obviously quite a bit of difference between the two.

Ratty

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Bilge Ratt said:
Hi Barry;

Just to help with understanding the difference, here is a part of Van de Velde's drawing, which I believe was possibly made in 1660, and a part of Payne's engraving, showing the ladder mentioned. There is obviously quite a bit of difference between the two.

Ratty

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Do you have the rest of the van de Velde drawing at that scale? I'm looking for that image in high resolution for decoration research.
 
Hi Kurt;

I regret that I am not able to share any further images of the drawing. At this resolution I have a series of partial images. The whole image is of lesser quality.

I obtained these perfectly legally, but due to them being required for another project, I am not currently able to distribute any images.

Sorry for the disappointment.

Ratty
 
Bilge Ratt said:
Hi Kurt;

I regret that I am not able to share any further images of the drawing. At this resolution I have a series of partial images. The whole image is of lesser quality.

I obtained these perfectly legally, but due to them being required for another project, I am not currently able to distribute any images.

Sorry for the disappointment.

Ratty
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Is a high resolution image available for sale from the owner? How does one obtain such an image for research "legally?"
 
thanks ratty i really do appreciate , its just a question of choosing which way to go really , am reading the sovereign of the sea book by james sephton , really goes into about her construction , wood used how and some much more , jsut started few day ago , if you have not read it yet am happy to send pages that specify the construction of the haul etc....
 
am trying something different for the haul , first layer of planking with ramin strips 0.2x 6 hard wood hard to bend . but better for shaping the haul and sanding it into real good shape , finger crossed, second planking with beech bellow the waterline , that or elm , as it was during this period a good choice of wood for ships bellow the waterline and oak strip all above
 
Hi Barry;

Thanks for mentioning Sephton. I have his book in my library, and have read it twice. However, I find it to contain many inaccuracies; as does McKay's more recent book; which, while excellently drawn, and a useful source in some areas, contains many absolutely shocking errors, which can only have arisen from a profound gap in the author's knowledge of ships of this period, however well he knows ships of later periods. Frank Fox summed it up very well in his comments made upon its publication.

Regarding the wood you are considering for the planking, I would be wary of using any wood with a noticeable grain pattern. At scale sizes this simply looks very wrong. Both oak and elm were certainly used for ship building, but both fall into the category of wood to avoid for models, simply because of the large grain pattern. I have never seen any contemporary models with either of these timbers visible anywhere.

Hi Kurt;

As far as I am aware, the owner of the Van de Velde drawing does not have, nor sell, images of it. There are none available that I know of.

Ratty
 
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Hi Barry;

I am glad that you find my comments helpful. That is one of the main reasons for joining a forum like this. Most questions can find an answer. Some of mine have been answered by helpful contributors in the past, and I felt the same gratitude to them.

Ratty
 
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