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[Maarten]

Hi Herman,

Very clean work.
No scarph joint in your planks? Or you will add them later?

 

[Herman]

Hi Herman,

Very clean work.
No scarph joint in your planks? Or you will add them later?

Hi Maarten.
I have first prepared/bent wood for full stroke of planks. I will now determine for each plank the actual length and then I will make scarph joints (identical for both sides of the hull*see edit). I have made a simple jig to keep the angle of the scarph joints identical.
EDIT: @Maarten pointed me out (see below) that making the scarphs on both side identical would be historically incorrect, therefore this idea is dropped.

 

[Herman]

I am not quite sure what the maximum length for a plank for the hull would have been. I have seen full strokes divided into 3 individual planks, but that would mean a length of over 16 meters (52 ft) for the 7 Provinciën. I reckon the length would have been as long as available and manageable. I think I will keep it limited to what would have been 12 meters (abt 39 ft).
Enclosed a picture of the construction of the 7 Provinciën at the site of the Batavia wharf to give a challenge the handling of such a plank must have been (source: "De 7 Provinciën - Een nieuw schip voor Michiel de Ruyter").

 

[-Waldemar-]

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Those 12 meters for the plank's length looks like a good choice. In comparison, in Construction des Vaisseaux du Roy 1691, 30-foot length range is required in more demanding cases for large ships. While not a Dutch source, yet offers some useful parallel.

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[Maarten]

I am not quite sure what the maximum length for a plank for the hull would have been. I have seen full strokes divided into 3 individual planks, but that would mean a length of over 16 meters (52 ft) for the 7 Provinciën. I reckon the length would have been as long as available and manageable. I think I will keep it limited to what would have been 12 meters (abt 39 ft).
Enclosed a picture of the construction of the 7 Provinciën at the site of the Batavia wharf to give a challenge the handling of such a plank must have been (source: "De 7 Provinciën - Een nieuw schip voor Michiel de Ruyter").
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Hi Herman,

The length of the plank is depending on the wood available, I guess indeed something like 12 mtr would be the maximum.
See below the actual planking schematics of the pinas Samuel of which you can see the wreck in Den Helder. Not any plank is the same, certainly not mirrored for PS and SB. Also the scarph joints are all different in length and width.
If you want to do it realisticly forget 21st century engineering.

 

[Herman]

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Those 12 meters for the plank's length looks like a good choice. In comparison, in Construction des Vaisseaux du Roy 1691, 30-foot length range is required in more demanding cases for large ships. While not a Dutch source, yet offers some useful parallel.

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Hi Herman,

The length of the plank is depending on the wood available, I guess indeed something like 12 mtr would be the maximum.
See below the actual planking schematics of the pinas Samuel of which you can see the wreck in Den Helder. Not any plank is the same, certainly not mirrored for PS and SB. Also the scarph joints are all different in length and width.
If you want to do it realisticly forget 21st century engineering.
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Thank you Waldemar and Maarten for your quick replies. So I am on the right track with the maximum length of the planks but have all the freedom in the world with the form of the scarph joints looking at the planking schematics of the pinas .

 

[Steef66]

You have all the freedom. When at my case a planken break while bending I make a joint and go on. Don't care.

 

[Herman]

BTW Last week I have applied a layer of Clou to the deck and lower part of the stern. It came out nice, but to my taste a bit too shiny and some brush strokes were visible. I had made a test piece, but that was probably too small to give a proper idea of the result on a larger surface.
I have therefore given it a further light treatment with steel wool 0000. The outcome was much more to my liking.
Please note the way it looks in real life depends very much on the viewing angle and the incidence of light.

 

[dockattner]

I can't speak to the finish of the decking because I don't trust the way my computer renders the image - but those are first class trenails!

 

[Heinrich]

Hi Herman. I can vouch that by using CLOU, you are using the best there is. Like you have done, you can do the fine tuning according to your personal taste. I love the look of the carpentry on the spiegel.

 

[Uwek]

Yes - the surface treated with Clou should be once it is dry (latest after 10 minutes already) with some very fine steel-wool
Looking good

 

[Herman]

Part of the first strokes of planks are mounted on the model, including scarph joints.
The joints were given the same acrylic brown treatment as applied to the deck planking. Looking at the pictures I am now just wondering if the joints are a little too noticeable. Should I further refrain from applying the acrylic paint?

 

[Steef66]

It’s a big ship, so the joints will visible on that scale. I l8ke them.

 

[Frank48]

Part of the first strokes of planks are mounted on the model, including scarph joints.
The joints were given the same acrylic brown treatment as applied to the deck planking. Looking at the pictures I am now just wondering if the joints are a little too noticeable. Should I further refrain from applying the acrylic paint?
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Good morning Ermanno, for this type I understand that the length of the shoe is 5 times the width of the elbow and 3 parts the joints

 

[Steef66]

For a Dutch ship there is no rule for the joints in the hull. Only for the keel there is a discription.

 

[Heinrich]

Herman, I like the joints too and don't think they look too large. Like Stephan said there are no rules in Dutch shipbuilding as to the planks used and the formatting of the joints - these were all up to the individual ship carpenters.

 

[Frank48]

Herman, I like the joints too and don't think they look too large. Like Stephan said there are no rules in Dutch shipbuilding as to the planks used and the formatting of the joints - these were all up to the individual ship carpenters.

I did not question the work of Hermann but , just information.Frank

 

[Bela]

Will you also imitate the caulking on all long edges? And how do you want to treat the surface? If the wood is tinted or darkened a bit, the joints will no longer stand out as much.
The size is absolutely fine.
Bela

 

[Steef66]

just information.

Me too

 

[Frank48]

Herman, I like the joints too and don't think they look too large. Like Stephan said there are no rules in Dutch shipbuilding as to the planks used and the formatting of the joints - these were all up to the individual ship carpenters.

Hi Enrico, it's true that everything depended on the naval carpenters, but the rules existed throughout the ship, however they are for the rules.Frank