HMAV BOUNTY - A “face lift “

Good morning. While I have a little disposable cash (before the admiral starts buying Christmas presentsSpeechless) I thought it prudent to order my next kit. A Christmas present for myself.:D

I am going to give a POF a go. I don't have any fancy milling machines etc so I am aiming for a kit with good quality CNC pre cut parts. If not my POF will look more like a Mexican wave than a model ship...;). I know I will still have to make a gazillion notches so going to be interesting.......hmmmm:rolleyes:. I may be fulfilling the adage - My ambition exceeds my skill.

My two options :
1. HMS Enterprise 1774 1:48 from CAF models. (Chery wood with Boxwood carvings) On sale again after being off the market for a while.
2. HMS Blandford 1:48 from Drydock Models. (Pear wood with Box wood carvings)
Both are admiralty builds with no rigging.


Keith @Keef built a stunning example of the Blandford and he graciously has given me some positive feed back on this kit. You can check this out here :
https://shipsofscale.com/sosforums/threads/hms-blandford-pof-by-keith-completed-build.9739/

and another by @Ken :
https://shipsofscale.com/sosforums/...pof-modelship-dockyard-completed-build.12569/

An amazing Enterprise was built here : https://shipsofscale.com/sosforums/threads/make-hms-enterprise-1-48-cafmodel.8503/

My heart goes with the Enterprise while my brain says Blandford.......From my research the Blandford is an easier built for first time POF chaps like me.

Let's see which prevailsROTF.
Cheers Grant
Hi Grant. A good decision to go for a POF model. It is so satisfying to gain extra insight into the construction of those ships.
With the scratch skills you demonstrate in your restoration project, you will surely bring it to a successful model. Whichever one you choose, a admiralty style build is always nice, I will definitely follow it.
Regards, Peter
 
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Hi Grant
There is one drawing of the Blandford but she was built to the 1719 Establishment so scantlings are readily available to supplement the kit. There is also the AOTS book on Blandford by Peter Goodwin and he has based a lot on the 1719 Establishment which he shows to a large extent in the early part of the book. With so little contemporary information available it would be interesting to know on what Drydock based the kit design.

There is a full set of high resolution drawings of the Enterprize class ships as well as scantlings and an original contract available. One of the drawings for the class, signed by Williams, includes all the mast and spar dimensions if you change your mind and want to rig her. One interesting point about Enterprize, she was built as part of Britain's response to the Falklands Crisis of 1770 so the Falkland crisis with Argentina in 1982 was nothing new.

I would lean toward Enterprize as there is so much more contemporary information available to cross check with the kit materials. Care does need to be taken to be sure the kit is designed for her before she became a receiving ship circa 1790 (unless that is what you prefer.) There is one kit maker, Model Ship Dockyard, that used the wrong profile drawings and designed the kit as she was when converted to a receiving ship rather than a combat ship.

Allan
 
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Of course the choice is yours...but following your heart rather than your head seems best. This is a multi-year project and you sure better like what you are building or it will seem like work! I once owned Ken's Blandford kit (literally) - but I followed my heart to the Kingfisher :).

Either way you will have my attention! This is going to be a great, great build!
 
I will support whatever decision you make! Personally, if even I may suggest, why not build something small first? just to get enough taste of a POF build. The POF is not something you can 'cheat' on, it is all the visibility and perfect fit. a bad framing will make the model awkward, and may you think of abandoning the build (I know what I am talking about ;) ). Why not build similar to this? It should be a relatively fast build where you acquire the necessary skills to assemble the frames. We already have some nice build logs...

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I am in love with this small POF boat. Isn't she gorgeous? No guns... and simple enough rigging...Anyway, I thought to give you my thoughts, but you are Captain Grant!

P.S. I Hope I didn't ruin your plans.
 
Good morning. While I have a little disposable cash (before the admiral starts buying Christmas presentsSpeechless) I thought it prudent to order my next kit. A Christmas present for myself.:D

I am going to give a POF a go. I don't have any fancy milling machines etc so I am aiming for a kit with good quality CNC pre cut parts. If not my POF will look more like a Mexican wave than a model ship...;). I know I will still have to make a gazillion notches so going to be interesting.......hmmmm:rolleyes:. I may be fulfilling the adage - My ambition exceeds my skill.

My two options :
1. HMS Enterprise 1774 1:48 from CAF models. (Chery wood with Boxwood carvings) On sale again after being off the market for a while.
2. HMS Blandford 1:48 from Drydock Models. (Pear wood with Box wood carvings)
Both are admiralty builds with no rigging.


Keith @Keef built a stunning example of the Blandford and he graciously has given me some positive feed back on this kit. You can check this out here :
https://shipsofscale.com/sosforums/threads/hms-blandford-pof-by-keith-completed-build.9739/

and another by @Ken :
https://shipsofscale.com/sosforums/...pof-modelship-dockyard-completed-build.12569/

An amazing Enterprise was built here : https://shipsofscale.com/sosforums/threads/make-hms-enterprise-1-48-cafmodel.8503/

My heart goes with the Enterprise while my brain says Blandford.......From my research the Blandford is an easier built for first time POF chaps like me.

Let's see which prevailsROTF.
Cheers Grant
Excellent initiative Grant
Looking forward to your decision and to follow your build
Cheers
 
Hi Grant
I vote for Enterprise. Doesn't Blandford remind you a little prettier Bounty? They will be quite similar. The thing with following the brain after you go that way, you still want to follow the heart, but must justify yourself it was a good choice and don't dare to look in THAT direction;) You're the captain the choice is yours
 
Good morning. While I have a little disposable cash (before the admiral starts buying Christmas presentsSpeechless) I thought it prudent to order my next kit. A Christmas present for myself.:D

I am going to give a POF a go. I don't have any fancy milling machines etc so I am aiming for a kit with good quality CNC pre cut parts. If not my POF will look more like a Mexican wave than a model ship...;). I know I will still have to make a gazillion notches so going to be interesting.......hmmmm:rolleyes:. I may be fulfilling the adage - My ambition exceeds my skill.

My two options :
1. HMS Enterprise 1774 1:48 from CAF models. (Chery wood with Boxwood carvings) On sale again after being off the market for a while.
2. HMS Blandford 1:48 from Drydock Models. (Pear wood with Box wood carvings)
Both are admiralty builds with no rigging.


Keith @Keef built a stunning example of the Blandford and he graciously has given me some positive feed back on this kit. You can check this out here :
https://shipsofscale.com/sosforums/threads/hms-blandford-pof-by-keith-completed-build.9739/

and another by @Ken :
https://shipsofscale.com/sosforums/...pof-modelship-dockyard-completed-build.12569/

An amazing Enterprise was built here : https://shipsofscale.com/sosforums/threads/make-hms-enterprise-1-48-cafmodel.8503/

My heart goes with the Enterprise while my brain says Blandford.......From my research the Blandford is an easier built for first time POF chaps like me.

Let's see which prevailsROTF.
Cheers Grant
Hi Grant. I am in the same boat (pun intended) and am pondering The Oneida from The Lumberyard. It looks like a good starter PoF, but I need to know more about it - especially the internal details. Cheers.
 
Good morning. While I have a little disposable cash (before the admiral starts buying Christmas presentsSpeechless) I thought it prudent to order my next kit. A Christmas present for myself.:D

I am going to give a POF a go. I don't have any fancy milling machines etc so I am aiming for a kit with good quality CNC pre cut parts. If not my POF will look more like a Mexican wave than a model ship...;). I know I will still have to make a gazillion notches so going to be interesting.......hmmmm:rolleyes:. I may be fulfilling the adage - My ambition exceeds my skill.

My two options :
1. HMS Enterprise 1774 1:48 from CAF models. (Chery wood with Boxwood carvings) On sale again after being off the market for a while.
2. HMS Blandford 1:48 from Drydock Models. (Pear wood with Box wood carvings)
Both are admiralty builds with no rigging.


Keith @Keef built a stunning example of the Blandford and he graciously has given me some positive feed back on this kit. You can check this out here :
https://shipsofscale.com/sosforums/threads/hms-blandford-pof-by-keith-completed-build.9739/

and another by @Ken :
https://shipsofscale.com/sosforums/...pof-modelship-dockyard-completed-build.12569/

An amazing Enterprise was built here : https://shipsofscale.com/sosforums/threads/make-hms-enterprise-1-48-cafmodel.8503/

My heart goes with the Enterprise while my brain says Blandford.......From my research the Blandford is an easier built for first time POF chaps like me.

Let's see which prevailsROTF.
Cheers Grant
If I wanted to start something now, my choice would be Alert 1777.


But to do it with rigging. But your options are also good. It's good that now there is something to choose from. Before, when I started, there were terrible sets or too expensive
 
Hi Grant. A good decision to go for a POF model. It is so satisfying to gain extra insight into the construction of those ships.
With the scratch skills you demonstrate in your restoration project, you will surely bring it to a successful model. Whichever one you choose, a admiralty style build is always nice, I will definitely follow it.
Regards, Peter
Good morning Peter. I’m not so sure about it being a good decision ;) however I am keen to give it a go. There is no doubt it is the next step up in model ship building. Thank you for your support I really do appreciate it.
Hi Grant
There is one drawing of the Blandford but she was built to the 1719 Establishment so scantlings are readily available to supplement the kit. There is also the AOTS book on Blandford by Peter Goodwin and he has based a lot on the 1719 Establishment which he shows to a large extent in the early part of the book. With so little contemporary information available it would be interesting to know on what Drydock based the kit design.

There is a full set of high resolution drawings of the Enterprize class ships as well as scantlings and an original contract available. One of the drawings for the class, signed by Williams, includes all the mast and spar dimensions if you change your mind and want to rig her. One interesting point about Enterprize, she was built as part of Britain's response to the Falklands Crisis of 1770 so the Falkland crisis with Argentina in 1982 was nothing new.

I would lean toward Enterprize as there is so much more contemporary information available to cross check with the kit materials. Care does need to be taken to be sure the kit is designed for her before she became a receiving ship circa 1790 (unless that is what you prefer.) There is one kit maker that used the wrong profile drawings and designed the kit as she was when converted to a receiving ship rather than a combat ship.

Allan
Good morning Allan. Thanks for this. I always enjoy your posts and appreciate your knowledge of these ships. This will be my first build where historical accuracy is going to be first on my agenda with research beginning now while I continue with my Bounty rebuild.
Of course the choice is yours...but following your heart rather than your head seems best. This is a multi-year project and you sure better like what you are building or it will seem like work! I once owned Ken's Blandford kit (literally) - but I followed my heart to the Kingfisher :).

Either way you will have my attention! This is going to be a great, great build!
Good morning Paul. Best advice ever! After reading this my decision is made. Are you sure you are a DDSc and not a D.Psch… ;).
Enterprise it isExplosion.
Hi Grant
I vote for Enterprise. Doesn't Blandford remind you a little prettier Bounty? They will be quite similar. The thing with following the brain after you go that way, you still want to follow the heart, but must justify yourself it was a good choice and don't dare to look in THAT direction;) You're the captain the choice is yours
I reiterate my comment to Paul above . Best advice ever! Thanks for this and my decision is made- Enterprise it is.
I will support whatever decision you make! Personally, if even I may suggest, why not build something small first? just to get enough taste of a POF build. The POF is not something you can 'cheat' on, it is all the visibility and perfect fit. a bad framing will make the model awkward, and may you think of abandoning the build (I know what I am talking about ;) ). Why not build similar to this? It should be a relatively fast build where you acquire the necessary skills to assemble the frames. We already have some nice build logs...

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I am in love with this small POF boat. Isn't she gorgeous? No guns... and simple enough rigging...Anyway, I thought to give you my thoughts, but you are Captain Grant!

P.S. I Hope I didn't ruin your plans.
Good morning Jim. There is no doubt this is sound advice and I did consider starting with something like this. Unfortunately I am like the teenage son who “thinks he knows better” ROTF. If it all goes “pear shaped” we can blame the good Dr (@dockattner) influences for subtlety making me follow my heart and Doing the Enterprise……Eish I hope I know what I’m doing….ROTF
I would buy them both. Alien
But only if you could find them on Ali for 10 euro...
Go for it!! Christmas is coming!! Yay!!
ROTFROTF. Got to love Dutch humour. Stephan after converting the Enterprise to Rands, paying 50% import duties and using DHL to freight 20kgs to Cape Town (as you know I can’t use SA postal as it may never arrive or if it does in a 1000 pieces or in 2026Cautious) I’m going to have to buy the Admiral a new car to compensate ROTF.
Excellent initiative Grant
Looking forward to your decision and to follow your build
Cheers
Thank you Gilbert. Yep Paul and @WojtasS have convinced me to go with the Enterprise. Truth be told I didn’t need much convincing. Your contribution to my ship building hobby is appreciated
Hi Grant. I am in the same boat (pun intended) and am pondering The Oneida from The Lumberyard. It looks like a good starter PoF, but I need to know more about it - especially the internal details. Cheers.
Good morning Graham. Ahh we can start our POF journey together. I feel like I’m graduating from junior school into high school with this….:D
If I wanted to start something now, my choice would be Alert 1777.


But to do it with rigging. But your options are also good. It's good that now there is something to choose from. Before, when I started, there were terrible sets or too expensive
Good morning Sergey. Thanks for this. I did look at the Alert and there are some wonderful builds here on SOS. The other option was the Granado as @Uwek inspirational build has my attention. For reasons unknown I kept gravitating back to the Blandford and Enterprise. I also don’t want a fully rigged ship this time around. After @dockattner and @WojtasS posts above I am going to attempt to build the Enterprise.

Thanks everyone for your posts. I am super excited to order my Enterprise today. I am going to finish my Bounty rebuild first so it will be a while before my first POF adventure starts
Cheers Grant
 
Now that your decision is made Grant, the following might be an interesting quick read. I cannot remember where I found this, but it looks to be accurate.
Allan

HMS Enterprise (1774 - 1807) / 28-gun frigate / Enterprise class

HMS Enterprise (also often spelled 'HMS Enterprize') was a 28 gun, 6th rate frigate built for the Royal Navy by the Royal Dockyard at Deptford.
She was the lead ship of the Enterprise class of 27 small sailing frigates.

The 6th rate was the smallest of the Royal Navy's rated ships and were the smallest ships which would normally be commanded by an officer with the rank of Captain and the 28-gun frigate was the smallest ship which met the Admiralty definition of 'Frigate'.

Construction:

HMS Enterprise was built as part of Britain's response to the Falklands Crisis of 1770, which goes to show that disputes over the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands are nothing new. Britain and Spain almost went to war in a territorial dispute which was never properly resolved. The reason the threatened war between Britain and Spain did not occur was because the French refused to support Spain. This forced the Spanish to negotiate and the agreement they and the British came to in 1771 totally sidestepped the issue of sovereignty and this was to be the source of future trouble which continues to this day. In the event, the financial pressures on the British Government arising from the start of the American War of Independence caused the British to abandon many overseas possessions and this included the Falkland Islands in 1776. Many years later, what is now Argentina gained independence from Spain and inherited Spain's claim over the islands. The British claim never to have relinquished their claim over the islands, they had just vacated the settlements they had established there. In 1833, the Falkland Islands were re-occupied by the British.

Designed by John Williams, then Surveyor of the Navy at Deptford Royal Dockyard, HMS Enterprise was ordered in January 1771. Her keel was laid on Monday 9th September 1771. Her construction was overseen by Adam Hayes, Master Shipwright at Deptford and the ship was launched into the River Thames, her hull complete on Wednesday 24th August 1774.

On completion, HMS Enterprise was a ship of 593 tons.
She was 120'6" long on her gundeck and was 33'6" wide across her beam.
She was armed with 24 9pdr long guns on her gundeck, 4 3pdr long guns on her quarterdeck and was also fitted with 12 half-pound swivel guns dotted around her upper deck.
She was manned by a crew of 200 officers, men and boys.

The ship commissioned under Captain Sir Thomas Rich in April 1775.

During her construction she was also the subject of a pair of oil paintings by Joseph Marshall, simulating her ship model but actually drawn from her designs - these were completed in 1777 as part of a series of such paintings commissioned by George III of the United Kingdom. The pair showing Enterprise are now split between the National Maritime Museum and the Science Museum.
 
This will be my first build where historical accuracy is going to be first on my agenda with research beginning now
Just in case you do not already have it, the attached is the original contract for a sister ship to Enterprize 1774, the Aurora (28) 1776. If you wish I can email it to you in Word format as well as it has been highlighted with items that are usually ignored by some kit makers.
Allan
 

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Second thought I would go for the Enterprise. Because you and I are Trekker and then the name Enterprise does it.

Maybe you can bash it to something more like......

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I’m a little late to the party this past week for providing input into your choices. However, even without personal experience in POF builds I’d be swayed by Stephan’s “Enterprise” version due to lack of rigging and especially ratlines :D.
Hello Stephan and Roger. ROTF . I’m more of a Star Wars chap so I will have tobin the Enterprise and go for the Millennium Falcon.;).Cheers Grant
 
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