Thank you Ron.
HMS Vanguard 1787 1:72 scale by ADoyon - First Build
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although the kit comes with a Dummy gunport and other things which can improve your build. DO IT . There is nowhere written it should be like the Manufacturers I started as you 50some Yeas ago like you- the only difference many tools, the computer did not exist etc. my last models had all gunport open, meaning a newer deck -lower gundeck-had to de inserted. new gun carriage to be make-each row different in seizing do to the calibre. to find new gun pipes etc. this was me. I am NOT interfering in how you build yours as you are in the Drivers site -only to inform that there are many possibilities to nd0o a kit better than kit manufacturers wantHi El Capi
Thanks for the compliment. As for the dummy gunport, the kit does come with dummy guns. I think if the interior is painted black and dummy guns are inserted it would look OK. Gunports have not been framed out yet so this might also improve the appearance when completed. Also, to answer your previous question about whether or not the kit comes with sails, it does include the material to make the sails along with full scale plans. There is a good review of the kit in the links below.
Amati’s HMS Vanguard – An Out of the Box Review
One of the finest ship model kits is the 1/72-scale kit of the British first rate ship of the line, the 74-gun HMS Vanguard, from Amati’s Victory Models line. This kit measure 46″ long …blog.agesofsail.com
1/72 HMS Vanguard 1787 - Victory Models/Amati
1/72 HMS Vanguard 1787 Victory Models/Amati Catalogue # 1300/04 HMS Vanguard was a 74-gun, third-rate ship of the line of the Royal Navy, launched on 6 March 1787 at Deptford. She was the sixth vessel to bear the name. Vanguard was built as an Arrogant Class vessel. Arrogant-class ships of the li...modelshipworld.com
sorry for my comment.
El Capi,
I appreciate your comments and suggestions on how to improve on the kit's standard build. When I started this project, I knew little about ship modeling, but since then I learned how to make certain modifications to improve the quality of my ship, thanks to the SOS community and advice from experienced modelers. As for the dummy gunports, I will have to think about what I can do, since the upper gun deck is in place. Anything that I do to improve the appearance of the dummy guns I would have to accomplish through the gunport opening. One thing I can do to improve appearance is to add the simulated treenails to the deck planking, since it would be easy at this stage. Something else that runs through my mind is how long is it going to take me to finish this build? The rigging alone looks daunting. So, any scratch-built features will add to the time to complete it. I will try my best with advice from SOS members.
Andre
One bit of advice I can give, is to never rush to finish. You’ll just start another ship…lol. Ask me how I know!
So If you will always be working on a ship, enjoy the journey.
When it comes to embellishments, it’s really a matter of time and abilities, and if it’s worth it. That’s always going to be subjective. Starting from my first build log, I had many suggestions by others, some I listened to and some I didn’t. Because at the end of the day, it’s your ship! You bought it and your spending the time to build it. So if you are happy, then that’s the most important thing. Sometimes if you get too serious with a hobby, it takes the fun out of it.
That said, only you can decide if you are happy with the kit as is, and if not, how and what you will do about it.
FULLY AGREE.DEAN62One bit of advice I can give, is to never rush to finish. You’ll just start another ship…lol. Ask me how I know!
So If you will always be working on a ship, enjoy the journey.
When it comes to embellishments, it’s really a matter of time and abilities, and if it’s worth it. That’s always going to be subjective. Starting from my first build log, I had many suggestions by others, some I listened to and some I didn’t. Because at the end of the day, it’s your ship! You bought it and your spending the time to build it. So if you are happy, then that’s the most important thing. Sometimes if you get too serious with a hobby, it takes the fun out of it.
That said, only you can decide if you are happy with the kit as is, and if not, how and what you will do about it.
Dean,One bit of advice I can give, is to never rush to finish. You’ll just start another ship…lol. Ask me how I know!
So If you will always be working on a ship, enjoy the journey.
When it comes to embellishments, it’s really a matter of time and abilities, and if it’s worth it. That’s always going to be subjective. Starting from my first build log, I had many suggestions by others, some I listened to and some I didn’t. Because at the end of the day, it’s your ship! You bought it and your spending the time to build it. So if you are happy, then that’s the most important thing. Sometimes if you get too serious with a hobby, it takes the fun out of it.
That said, only you can decide if you are happy with the kit as is, and if not, how and what you will do about it.
That's great advice! I'm not really in any rush to finish the build, and I'm very much enjoying working on the ship. I know that many would not consider this to be a beginner kit. So, I was just wondering how long it will take for a beginner to finish the ship. I have learned much about ship modeling following the SOS website and appreciate all the comments from SOS members. Hoping to pick up the pace in the winter months.
Thanks for the advice,
Andre
No problem.
A large ship can take 1-2 years to build. But that varies due to many factors like; experience, how many hours a week you build, if you make embellishments, if you add sails or not, what tools you use, etc., etc. Sometimes a build gets sidelined due to life...lol. So just enjoy it, and if you don't like something about the kit, there are many people here on SOS who will be willing to give you guidance and suggest available options.
USE YOUR COMMON SENSE AND HEAD. It seems that big part of my comments has been lost
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Thanks for your advice. It's much appreciated. By the way, your models look beautiful!
Andre
As I mentioned, it looks a big part of my message was lost. will make a new one over the letterbox. the far lest was my 1Th build -1971 1974 . It was before there was Laser-cut, so only hard handwork, but thanks to Dod, you learned a lot that way. as you can see, I have only used a very simple Tool. My 1 TH Proxcon was as late as 1998
Hi Andre,
I think that you have made great progress in less then a year, and the the hull looks very nice . Personally I think that to build a ship like this in 1-2 years is extremely optimistic. I have been working more than two years on my Vanguard and I hope to be able to start with the mast within a couple of months. So I'm calculating with at least another two years.
Björn
I think that you have made great progress in less then a year, and the the hull looks very nice . Personally I think that to build a ship like this in 1-2 years is extremely optimistic. I have been working more than two years on my Vanguard and I hope to be able to start with the mast within a couple of months. So I'm calculating with at least another two years.
Björn
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Hi Andre,
For someone with no or in the mean time a little bit of experience, you are doing a remarkable good job. Your hull planking looks great and not a lot of experienced builders will manage that as good as you did. So you have some talent!
There is absolutely no "standard" than your own, how to build your model ship. So there is no shame nor issues to build your model straight out of the box. Most starters can't even finish. This last part is your main goal, finish (don't race) your first model ship and learn from the experience, take ideas and your experience to your next model.
If you decide to change things to improve your model, do so if it's within your capabilities. If not? move on and use the materials provided within the kit.
Enjoy the experience of building, to see your model grow and being made by your two hands...Take it stage by stage, step by step. You choose a big model as a first timer, not easy, but with patience and perseverance you'll make it.
I totaly agree with Pter and remember it's the journey and not the goal that should be your focus.
Thanks so much to all for the comments and encouragement. I will not be rushing and will simply enjoy the build. Looking forward to accomplishing more in the winter months.
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Hi Andre,
looking at your photos you can be sure that yours will be a wonderful model.
It doesn't seem at all that it is your first experience.
In fact, you work better than some "experts".
The "Missions" of these great warships lasted for years and, often, the commanders moored their ship in quiet waters near the mainland to repair it from the damage suffered during the battles.
The shipwrights cut down trees to get the wood necessary for the restoration which could last even months.
When I am dedicated to my model I feel like this: a shipwright doing his best to make his ship sail again.
I have a lot of fun documenting myself, seeing and learning new techniques from other modeling friends and I try to bring all these experiences back into the model.
An interesting world where you never stop learning.
A beautiful journey through the fascinating years when these masterpieces of wooden engineering sailed and dominated the seas.
Good navigation to you too Andre.
looking at your photos you can be sure that yours will be a wonderful model.
It doesn't seem at all that it is your first experience.
In fact, you work better than some "experts".
The "Missions" of these great warships lasted for years and, often, the commanders moored their ship in quiet waters near the mainland to repair it from the damage suffered during the battles.
The shipwrights cut down trees to get the wood necessary for the restoration which could last even months.
When I am dedicated to my model I feel like this: a shipwright doing his best to make his ship sail again.
I have a lot of fun documenting myself, seeing and learning new techniques from other modeling friends and I try to bring all these experiences back into the model.
An interesting world where you never stop learning.
A beautiful journey through the fascinating years when these masterpieces of wooden engineering sailed and dominated the seas.
Good navigation to you too Andre.
Thank you, Antonio. I am a huge fan of 18th century sailing ships and think of them as a work of art. As for my first ship model, I hope to avoid any serious blunders. I need to carefully read both the kit's instructions and Bob Hunt's practicum. I missed the instructions that suggested framing the gun ports prior to starting the second layer planking. Now it looks like this will take a little more time.
This latest effort on my build was framing fifty-six gun ports, which I found to be one of the more difficult tasks. Each gun port frame is made from eight 1x6 mm strips. Strips were glued in pairs to form 12 mm wide sills. I framed the upper gunports in sections, horizontal sills first, then the vertical sills. The lower gun port frames needed to be constructed as a complete unit because I was gluing to a narrow edge in the opening.
WOW! Those look so good! Wonderful work!
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Looking fantastic great work, way more ambitious than me for a first build.
