Brilliant stuff - love it!
Soleil Royal- Re-engineering Artesania Latina's New Kit by NMBROOK
Thanks Marc, serious amount of work shaping all those pieces but worth it in the long run I feel.
Absolutely, but these are the details that add up to a one-of-a-kind build. It’s going to be incredible!
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Hi Nigel,
a really wonderful and impressive build. It's a pleasure to follow your log.
a really wonderful and impressive build. It's a pleasure to follow your log.
Thank you Christian
Work has started on the 4 ports at the Stern.I have deviated from the instructions in that the locations across the transom just did not work.The outer two of the four gunports were far to close to the ships side and made it impossible for a cannon carriage to fit in let alone be rigged.Hence the myriad of pencil marks as I played about with positioning.
I show some pictures of the work lining the two outer ports (inner two still to cut out ) and how I located the cill and head.These need to follow the deck camber and sheer at the same time.These are fitted using what I had laying around which worked out to the correct height.The important thing is my jig is going off the deck beams inside the ship.Making the linings well oversize and trimming later allowed me to get the clamp on.
The side linings will be fitted after all four ports are to the same stage.I have mocked up a gun on a piece of scrap ply that represents the deck planking thickness to check the height.Quite a good view will be afforded looking along the gun deck through these ports when the lanterns are on ( more on that much later)
Kind Regards
Nigel
Work has started on the 4 ports at the Stern.I have deviated from the instructions in that the locations across the transom just did not work.The outer two of the four gunports were far to close to the ships side and made it impossible for a cannon carriage to fit in let alone be rigged.Hence the myriad of pencil marks as I played about with positioning.
I show some pictures of the work lining the two outer ports (inner two still to cut out ) and how I located the cill and head.These need to follow the deck camber and sheer at the same time.These are fitted using what I had laying around which worked out to the correct height.The important thing is my jig is going off the deck beams inside the ship.Making the linings well oversize and trimming later allowed me to get the clamp on.
The side linings will be fitted after all four ports are to the same stage.I have mocked up a gun on a piece of scrap ply that represents the deck planking thickness to check the height.Quite a good view will be afforded looking along the gun deck through these ports when the lanterns are on ( more on that much later)
Kind Regards
Nigel
The quarter gallery castings have an abundance of crisp detail but are let down by rather clunky window frames especially given the main stern windows are photo etch.I relieved the back of the castings using my mill and a burr cutter in the rotary tool before bonding the modified pieces together with Epoxy.
First pics show the stock parts, last pictures show one assembled modified gallery.Some very minor filling required in the vertical join line at the corner.
Kind Regards
Nigel
First pics show the stock parts, last pictures show one assembled modified gallery.Some very minor filling required in the vertical join line at the corner.
Kind Regards
Nigel
Nigel, you can cut those chunky window lattices out and replace them with slender ones made from wood, and back those up with glass made from mica or plastic. The window framework looks lumpy because of the rough metal casting. You may be able to attach the framework to the panel of "glass" and attach them to the casting once the periphery is trimmed to fit as required. If the frame lines to be really slender, you can score and ink (paint) the lines in the "glass" material to make the windows appear like leaded glass.
The rest of your ship is professionally built. No reason to ruin the look with defects from the castings. Sometimes I think cleaning up castings isn't worth just making them from scratch... then I come to my senses.
Kurt, I get what you are saying but there is still some fettling to do on these.
I have built mullioned windows before in boxwood and the smallest I have been able to get the mullions to is 0.8 x 0.8mm.If you stick separate pieces to the glazing it never looks right (tried that),the only way to do it right is halving joints at every intersection.Hence the 0.8 limitation.
These casting mullions currently stand at 0.9mm and 1mm on the one I have relieved.With a jewellers file I can easily shave these down to smaller than I am capable of achieving in hardwood.The only real alternative is photo etch but I do not have that facility
The bottom windows are far too large to be leaded lights, yes I know Church windows are huge expanses but the gauge of leading in those is far greater than that used in a ship.Marc has depicted leaded glass on his model, but his design includes smaller windows
Kind Regards
Nigel
I have built mullioned windows before in boxwood and the smallest I have been able to get the mullions to is 0.8 x 0.8mm.If you stick separate pieces to the glazing it never looks right (tried that),the only way to do it right is halving joints at every intersection.Hence the 0.8 limitation.
These casting mullions currently stand at 0.9mm and 1mm on the one I have relieved.With a jewellers file I can easily shave these down to smaller than I am capable of achieving in hardwood.The only real alternative is photo etch but I do not have that facility
The bottom windows are far too large to be leaded lights, yes I know Church windows are huge expanses but the gauge of leading in those is far greater than that used in a ship.Marc has depicted leaded glass on his model, but his design includes smaller windows
Kind Regards
Nigel
Hello Nigel,
thats an awesome looking kit, and your improvements are taking it to the next level.
thats an awesome looking kit, and your improvements are taking it to the next level.
I'm looking at all of this on my desktop now, as opposed to my phone. It looks even better in the MACRO!
Regarding the mullions, I think you are right-on with a little filing. It won't take much. The interesting thing to note is that the lower QG windows would have been false windows; I think the decision of how to model them is entirely a matter of builder preference. Almost all contemporary 17th C. models show glazed panes, on this level - usually mica. I chose to emphasize their falseness because I thought it was an interesting characteristic of the times, but I'm not going to the trouble of lighting my ship. In that case, I would probably want light to poke through as many openings as possible.
'Specially cuz I've got a feeling Nigel will represent the functional seats of ease within the QG. I just know the thought has crossed his mind
Regarding the mullions, I think you are right-on with a little filing. It won't take much. The interesting thing to note is that the lower QG windows would have been false windows; I think the decision of how to model them is entirely a matter of builder preference. Almost all contemporary 17th C. models show glazed panes, on this level - usually mica. I chose to emphasize their falseness because I thought it was an interesting characteristic of the times, but I'm not going to the trouble of lighting my ship. In that case, I would probably want light to poke through as many openings as possible.
'Specially cuz I've got a feeling Nigel will represent the functional seats of ease within the QG. I just know the thought has crossed his mind
I'm looking at all of this on my desktop now, as opposed to my phone. It looks even better in the MACRO!
Regarding the mullions, I think you are right-on with a little filing. It won't take much. The interesting thing to note is that the lower QG windows would have been false windows; I think the decision of how to model them is entirely a matter of builder preference. Almost all contemporary 17th C. models show glazed panes, on this level - usually mica. I chose to emphasize their falseness because I thought it was an interesting characteristic of the times, but I'm not going to the trouble of lighting my ship. In that case, I would probably want light to poke through as many openings as possible.
'Specially cuz I've got a feeling Nigel will represent the functional seats of ease within the QG. I just know the thought has crossed his mind
Marc I can relieve the middle window a little more on the rear now I can clamp it better with the pieces bonded together.I had all sorts shimming the casting on the mill table and I am paranoid of any vibration causing a clamp to slip.I am confident I can get the mullions down to around 0.6mm wide with my triangular jeweller's file ( when I find it
)This is probably the safe limit of the Pewter before it starts bending all overMmmmmm seats of ease
Your right,I have thought about it but I would have to be quite creative to get an interior in these castings.Yes I do want light shining out through the windows, we both know in all likelihood these would be false apart from a small opening for ventilation.Just had a thought,If I fit seats of ease I could have the captain on the loo
That could tie in with another discussion regarding the rope thingies hanging from Dutch ships re loo roll
Hi Brian
Thankyou,it does have numerous shortcomings, but it does lend itself to some severe bashing
Kind Regards
Nigel
Thanks, Nigel. Plus, I learned a new word today: mullions. You always gain something with this group...
"light shining out through the windows" . . specifically MOONlight.Mmmmmm seats of ease
Thanks, Nigel. Plus, I learned a new word today: mullions. You always gain something with this group...
Kurt,strictly speaking in fenestration terms (windows) the mullions are the vertical bars and transoms are the horizontal ones
"light shining out through the windows" . . specifically MOONlight.
only if he is stood up
Gotcha. I had to look that one up.Kurt,strictly speaking in fenestration terms (windows) the mullions are the vertical bars and transoms are the horizontal ones
You’ve got to love the VdVlds for enlightening us about ship-board TP:Marc I can relieve the middle window a little more on the rear now I can clamp it better with the pieces bonded together.I had all sorts shimming the casting on the mill table and I am paranoid of any vibration causing a clamp to slip.I am confident I can get the mullions down to around 0.6mm wide with my triangular jeweller's file ( when I find it
Mmmmmm seats of ease
Just had a thought,If I fit seats of ease I could have the captain on the loo
The imagination only has a short walk off a long head to envision the atrocities of 500-700 men sharing 4 seats of (dis)ease.
Now, one thing I’ve never seen represented is the same sort of toilet brush threaded through the QG waste pipes. It must have existed, no?
AND - I’ve expressed this elsewhere before, but studying this particular portrait - one can’t help but be struck by the heft of the artillery. This, Nigel, is where I think the scale of Kris’s guns will really carry the day. The broadsides of these war machines should literally strike terror in the eyes and hearts of the beholder.
The eye for detail is so thorough that the Elder VDV even represents broken rammers still protruding from the waist upper deck guns. Fantastic!
The eye for detail is so thorough that the Elder VDV even represents broken rammers still protruding from the waist upper deck guns. Fantastic!
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