The Mary Rose

Graham said:
On with the rails which are pre-painted 1mm x 4mm strip. First the straight bits -

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Now we need to bend some wood. I measured the deflection of the curve at the widest point and clamped to that. Wood soaked in very hot water for a couple of minutes.

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All finished -

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Outboard belaying rails fixed in place -

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Next are the anti-boarding netting supports. I am now out of CA glue and my local model shop is closed due to the lockdown in my area. Seems it is not an essential business, but at the moment it's pretty bloody essential to me and my sanity! However, I am sure Amazon will come good by the time I have shaped the supports. We live in strange times, eh?
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Your are bringing your ship along well. Were the cannon carriages with the kit or did you make those? Reason for asking is that the single photo from above seems to have the carriage well past/behind the cascabel (knob). Typically the carriage should have ended there as well as the elevation bolsters as the gundecks needed as much free space a possible and not have the carriage intruding there. Of course the inhaul tackle would be there. If the guns were run out for firing they would be tight against the bulwark and a restraining recoil hawser set to take the firing recoil load but I don't see that line. Just wondering. Rich (PT-2)
 
The channels need a strip on the outside so I fitted those (the gold bits) -

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The Anthony Roll clearly shows the anti-boarding netting and a couple of small sections have been recovered from the wreck -

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The net is rigged to the edge of the walkway. To get an alignment to the top of the side frames I weighted a length of line across -
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All parts cut to size from 2mm x 2mm strip. When possible I drill a small hole and CA a cocktail stick in to the back side of a part as it makes painting a lot easier -

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The tool above is a so-called 'Japanese' saw. I got it a few years ago for woodworking, it is still razor sharp and gives a very fine cut. The difference with these saws is that they cut on the pull stroke; it is also very flexible -

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The netting will need securing at the edges, so I put in some eyelets through which a tensioning rope will go - 20201127_170423.jpg

Before fitting the supports I made a template for the netting -

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Supports fitted --

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I managed to do that without smashing the rope walk, so that's worth a cold beer (or two).
Next are the deadeyes on the channels.
 
TechTrek said:
Very nice, I’m looking forward to seeing the netting in place. What are you using for the netting? Curious...
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That, Chris, is a very good question and at the moment I don't have the answer. I have been looking for a while and can't see anything suitable by way of scale and colour, so I will probably end up making it myself. I just need to make a grid, a frame and then find the inclination. If I do end up making it I will post the results and we can all have a good laugh!
 
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Graham said:
That, Chris, is a very good question and at the moment I don't have the answer. I have been looking for a while and can't see anything suitable by way of scale and colour, so I will probably end up making it myself. I just need to make a grid, a frame and then find the inclination. If I do end up making it I will post the results and we can all have a good laugh!
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Have you looked at fishing nets for pet fish? They probably have a weave about the right scale. You can then hopefully colour them the way you want. I'm sure Amazon has something. They may also have the netting material. Maybe something like this https://www.amazon.ca/Annie-Mesh-Fa...etting+fabric+3mm+hole&qid=1606570057&sr=8-13
 
Netting
If the boarding nets were to stop skinny enemies getting through I guess the pitch would be about 30cm.
On a scale of 1:80 this would be about 4mm
How about taking a piece of coarse cloth and pulling out, say, 3 of every four threads in each direction?
Glue or size applied before/after/progressively according to experimental results.
 
Have you looked at fishing nets for pet fish? They probably have a weave about the right scale. You can then hopefully colour them the way you want. I'm sure Amazon has something. They may also have the netting material. Maybe something like this https://www.amazon.ca/Annie-Mesh-Fa...etting+fabric+3mm+hole&qid=1606570057&sr=8-13

Thanks, Chris, that is worth looking into. There are several specialist shops and garden centres in my area which stock fish and as soon as the Covid lockdown in my area ends (about a week) I will don my mask an venture out to have a look
 
Short John Bronze said:
Netting
If the boarding nets were to stop skinny enemies getting through I guess the pitch would be about 30cm.
On a scale of 1:80 this would be about 4mm
How about taking a piece of coarse cloth and pulling out, say, 3 of every four threads in each direction?
Glue or size applied before/after/progressively according to experimental results.
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Thanks, we have some hessian (rather like sacking) and I will try a small section. Initial thought is that the threads are a bit 'hairy', but a wash or two of laquer might calm it down. However, your principle of removing threads from some kind of material is a good one. Cheers.
 
DonRobinson said:
Have a look for tulle, it is a fabric often used for making veils. Comes in different sizes and colours, found easily in fabric shops and of course on amazon.
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Thanks, Don. She Who Must Be Obeyed does a lot of sewing and has some, but I think the weave is too fine and the holes are hexagonal -

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That's not to say that some with a more open weave might not be available, so thanks for the suggestion. I have set her on a quest and she is also looking into cotton gauze bandage which, she says, would take a stain. Who says that shipbuilding isn't fun for all the family?!
 
@Graham that's a great idea, I seem to recall a fairly open weave gauze cotton wrap from one of my first aid courses, or possibly one of my many self injuries. Came close to giving myself stitches across the thumb a few weeks ago with a very sharp blade while trimming some piece of wood. Another mm or 2 and yikes would have been deep enough for the Dr!!!
 
TechTrek said:
@Graham that's a great idea, I seem to recall a fairly open weave gauze cotton wrap from one of my first aid courses, or possibly one of my many self injuries. Came close to giving myself stitches across the thumb a few weeks ago with a very sharp blade while trimming some piece of wood. Another mm or 2 and yikes would have been deep enough for the Dr!!!
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Been there, done that. All of my builds have a bit of blood in them, flavoured with a light scattering of ripe language.
 
Deadeyes rigged and placed in the channels, Chris will be interested to know that there are 42. They will be tied to a length of chain which is fixed to the upper wale -

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Rigging is made somewhat more difficult when you have a poodle sleeping on your knee -

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In order to fix the chains I need to know the angle of the shrouds from the futtocks, so I need the lower masts in place. While I was at it I cut out all of the masts and spars -

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Masts dry fitted. I can now run a line down from the futtock location (denoted by the white tape) to get the angle. Four masts on this ship, the rearmost being the 'Bonaventure' mast which is the only one to be raked.

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I now need some eyelets to attach the chain to the wale, but have used most of those supplied with the kit in order to rig the cannon, walkway etc. Hopefully they will arrive tomorrow, but plenty of other things to be getting on with if not.
 
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Graham said:
Deadeyes rigged and placed in the channels, Chris will be interested to know that there are 42. They will be tied to a length of chain which is fixed to the upper wale -

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Rigging is made somewhat more difficult when you have a poodle sleeping on your knee -

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In order to fix the chains I need to know the angle of the shrouds from the futtocks, so I need the lower masts in place. While I was at it I cut out all of the masts and spars -

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Masts dry fitted. I can now run a line down from the futtock location (denoted by the white tape) to get the angle. Four masts on this ship, the rearmost being the 'Bonaventure' mast which is the only one to be raked.

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I now need some eyelets to attach the chain to the wale, but have used most of them supplied with the kit in order to rig the cannon, walkway etc. Hopefully they will arrive tomorrow, but plenty of other things to be getting on with if not.
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It seems that kits were stocked by non-builders recognizing the amount that we need with our own hands/fingers. . . maybe a plot for more cash flowing into the aftermarket. Rich (PT-2)
 
It's nice to see an overall shot of the Mary Rose. I think this is the first in a long time and she's a beauty. You are doing great work. I had a question about mast length. Are you making any changes in the length of the masts based on the addition of decks not called for in the original plans?
 
Graham said:
That, Chris, is a very good question and at the moment I don't have the answer. I have been looking for a while and can't see anything suitable by way of scale and colour, so I will probably end up making it myself. I just need to make a grid, a frame and then find the inclination. If I do end up making it I will post the results and we can all have a good laugh!
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How about using the black screen for windows at the hardware store? Its a fine mesh for bugs, not sure about exact scale though?
 
Stevinne said:
It's nice to see an overall shot of the Mary Rose. I think this is the first in a long time and she's a beauty. You are doing great work. I had a question about mast length. Are you making any changes in the length of the masts based on the addition of decks not called for in the original plans?
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Thank you for your kind comments. Yes, I put an extra 25mm on those two masts. I am now pondering the bonaventure mast. The Anthony Roll picture does not show that mast raked -

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And neither is the Great Harry -

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Whilst the artist's sense of perspective is certainly questionable I don't think he would have missed and obvious detail like that. Neither is it clear from the current analysis of the wreck. I think I will look at mounting the bonaventure vertically, but that is going to be fiddly and will probably involve a pin in the mast base into the deck below and some bracing. I need to then see what that might do to the deadeye positions. All good fun.
 
Graham said:
Thank you for your kind comments. Yes, I put an extra 25mm on those two masts. I am now pondering the bonaventure mast. The Anthony Roll picture does not show that mast raked -

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And neither is the Great Harry -

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Whilst the artist's sense of perspective is certainly questionable I don't think he would have missed and obvious detail like that. Neither is it clear from the current analysis of the wreck. I think I will look at mounting the bonaventure vertically, but that is going to be fiddly and will probably involve a pin in the mast base into the deck below and some bracing. I need to then see what that might do to the deadeye positions. All good fun.
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I an only imagine the effect of that huge hull area in cross winds or when at anchor swinging around like a pendelum. Rich (PT-2)
 
Graham said:
Thank you for your kind comments. Yes, I put an extra 25mm on those two masts. I am now pondering the bonaventure mast. The Anthony Roll picture does not show that mast raked -

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And neither is the Great Harry -

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Whilst the artist's sense of perspective is certainly questionable I don't think he would have missed and obvious detail like that. Neither is it clear from the current analysis of the wreck. I think I will look at mounting the bonaventure vertically, but that is going to be fiddly and will probably involve a pin in the mast base into the deck below and some bracing. I need to then see what that might do to the deadeye positions. All good fun.
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I have a couple of the Mary Rose reference books, but here's something I never noticed before seeing these AR pictures blown up and maybe you can answer without me having to pore over the books. On both the MR and HGAD there are what look like shields at the rear of all the first fighting tops. Has your research indicated what they might be, are they archer blinds (that's what they look like to me in the Geoff Hunt pictures now that I've noticed them), and do you plan to include them in your build?
 
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