Artesania Latina Anatomy of Lord Nelson’s HMS Victory 1805

[GIG1810]

You folks doing the lighting amaze me. I guess we can all do it but I am totally intimidated by this. Nicely done.

It may just be the lighting in the photos but are they upside down? The plates were nailed on so there would be dents where the nails were hammered in rather than the appearance of rivet heads.
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Hey Alan,

Thanks for the reply. That's quite expensive. The work alone is insane. You have my respect! I also bought the kit. Also the roller for the copper foil. I'm going to try it out and then decide whether to buy the copper plates or use the foil. I would be happy to show you a picture of it. As for your photo of the Victory, where did you find it? I'm confused at the moment, because I feel the same way as you do, that the nails were hammered in and thus countersunk and no rivets are visible, but recessed. Or am I wrong?

Best regards
Günther

 

[AllanKP69]

that the nails were hammered in and thus countersunk and no rivets are visible,

Hi Gunther
The photo is the USS Constitution, but it is pretty much identical to the description of plating given by Peter Goodwin in The Construction and Fitting of The English Man of War on page 225. After about 1760 the nails were copper with typically 5/32" diameter with 5/16" heads assuming he is correct. Manufacturing limitations apparently were the governing factor in the plate size which was typically 48" X 15" Victory was not coppered until a refit in 1779. I love to see someone model Victory prior to this date with payed bottom, Armstrong cannon and painting other than the Nelson chequer.

Allan

 

[GIG1810]

Hello Alan,

Thank you very much for your great explanation of the copper panelling.

My dream is to build the Victory before 1779. I would like to build her as she can be seen in the Naval Museum in Greenwich. In other words, as she was in 1765, with the old galleon figurehead and the beautiful stern. Of course, she won't have any copper plating. I'll save that for later, when I build the HMS Victory again. I'm using the Victory from Atesania Latina for the conversion. It's currently the best commercial kit you can get for the money. I already have it in my hobby room.

Of course, I'm going to make a lot of changes and I'm looking forward to any help with the rigging here in the forum. But everything comes after the Athena ... although I'm only just starting on the dinghy.

Best regards
Günther

 

[AllanKP69]

No, it’s supposed to be rivet heads
Not prototypical but gives a nice effect. All commercially made copper plates are like that as far as I know

Vanguard and, I think the newest ones from Amati, have etched nail dents rather than the pox like bumps. Hopefully some members know of others as well. Scale is an issue as well so some folks have had more realistic plates by making their own. At the smaller scales, copper paint, scribed lines, and pin holes are another option. Assuming the AL Victory scale is 1:84 the plates should be 14.5mm long X 4.5 mm if they are going to be properly overlapped. If the builder chooses to butt them together they would be about 1/2mm smaller in width and length. If appearance matters, check out the patterns of both brands and how the full size plates were actually done to see which you think is best for your own project.
Allan
From drawings in The Construction and Fitting of the English Man of War by Peter Goodwin

 

[AlanOES]

Vanguard and, I think the newest ones from Amati, have etched nail dents rather than the pox like bumps. Hopefully some members know of others as well. Scale is an issue as well so some folks have had more realistic plates by making their own. At the smaller scales, copper paint, scribed lines, and pin holes are another option. Assuming the AL Victory scale is 1:84 the plates should be 14.5mm long X 4.5 mm if they are going to be properly overlapped. If the builder chooses to butt them together they would be about 1/2mm smaller in width and length. If appearance matters, check out the patterns of both brands and how the full size plates were actually done to see which you think is best for your own project.
Allan
From drawings in The Construction and Fitting of the English Man of War by Peter Goodwin
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Hi Allan
This is from the book “HMS Victory, her Construction, Career and Restoration “ by Alan McGowan. I used this as a rough guide for installing my plates. If you’ve read my original post on this, you will know that I’m aware of the scale issue. Using these plates was my personal preference over the supplied self adhesive tape. I’ve seen many photos of other completed Victory models using these or similar plates, all showing the “pox” bumps as you call them. I like to do a nice job but on some things I’m not a rivet counter, excuse the pun

 

[GIG1810]

Hello Alan,

thank you very much and very good picture of the copper plating. I have some pictures of a sample of the AL roller to imitate the nailing. I think it is very close to the one above. What do you think? However, the dimensions are not correct based on your calculation. So the aluminium roller is too big.

Best regards
Günther

 

[GIG1810]

Hi Allan
This is from the book “HMS Victory, her Construction, Career and Restoration “ by Alan McGowan. I used this as a rough guide for installing my plates. If you’ve read my original post on this, you will know that I’m aware of the scale issue using these plates was my personal preference over the supplied self adhesive tape. I’ve seen many photos of other completed Victory models using these or similar plates, all showing the “pox” bumps as you call them. I like to do a nice job but on some things I’m not a rivet counter, excuse the pun

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Hey Alan,
your work is very very good. Iam a Fan of your built. Sorry for the discuss of the Coppers.
Cheers
Günther

 

[AlanOES]

Hey Alan,
your work is very very good. Iam a Fan of your built. Sorry for the discuss of the Coppers.
Cheers
Günther

No problem Günther
Everyone is entitled to an opinion

 

[AllanKP69]

I love the discussions and hearing what others do to get the job done. Not a day/week goes by that I do not learn something new and useful here. There seems to always be more than one route to get to the final destination.
Allan