HMS GRANADO (1742) - midship section - POF by CAF in 1:48 - by Uwe

[Uwek]

Hallo friends,
first of all many thanks to all your comments and also the likes received
also I would like to wish you all ALL the BEST for 2022

During the christmas holidays I was rarely in the forum, better had not so much time to post any updates of my building log.

Starting with the works on the bomb racks under the mortar

Here the principle structure is shown - three strong base beams with notches for the six pillars


this three structures are based on the strong stiffening riders



To compare the height with a figurine, a french supervisor sent to the british shipyard by Jean Boudriot



Dry fitted mortar room beams - on top of these the mortar will be based



everything is fitting well - only some smaller adjustments necessary



starting to assemble the vertical timbers where the doors for the bomb shell room will be fixed



The side wall timbering fixed



Many Thanks for your interest

 

[Charlie1805]

Hello Uwe,

Very nice project. Beautiful carpentry. Thanks for showing

Greeting Charlue

 

[pianoforte]

Hallo Uwe, the heavy mortar shells in the racks and the massive wooden construction, just impressive, very well done.

 

[Stargazer]

Awesome joinery! Everything is fitting so tight, are you using files etc. by hand or are you using a mill/machinery? Either way - very nice!

 

[NMBROOK]

Very nice work Uwe. I am unfamiliar with this vessel's armament.How much did the balls weigh? I ask because the arrangement goes against all modern HSE manual handling guidelines

Kind Regards

Nigel

 

[Uwek]

Awesome joinery! Everything is fitting so tight, are you using files etc. by hand or are you using a mill/machinery? Either way - very nice!

Hallo,
many thanks for your interest in my small project.
For these works I am not using the mill, just my different needle files (with fine grid) I have. The big advantage is here the very hard type of timber, which has a similar behaviour like boxwood - very hard with a very fine grain, so you can sand the timber very accurate with sharp and accurate edges - sanding takes longer, but I love to work with this sort of wood

Very nice work Uwe. I am unfamiliar with this vessel's armament.How much did the balls weigh? I ask because the arrangement goes against all modern HSE manual handling guidelines

Kind Regards

Nigel

Hallo Nigel,
also many thanks for your interest.
The balls were no balls, but shells, so maybe "lighter" than expected.
In the evening I will make some photos from my library and try to find the information about wheight and sizes, types etc of the shells they used in the french and british navy - interesting question.......

Mortars were the only kind of naval armament to fire explosive shells rather than solid shot until the invention of the Paixhans gun. Since it was considered dangerous to have large stocks of shells on board the ships that were firing them, and because the reinforced mortar platforms occupied so much space below decks, bomb vessels were usually accompanied by a tender to carry ammunition as well as the ordnance officers in charge of firing the mortars. However, as naval warfare became more advanced, bomb ships were also accompanied by frigates to protect them from direct assault by faster, smaller vessels.

from wikipedia

Bomb vessel - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Uwek]

32 pdr round shell section​

Hollow 32 pounder round shell section mounted on wooden base.

32 pdr round shell section | Royal Museums Greenwich

www.rmg.co.uk

This was the armament of the Granado:

 

[NMBROOK]

Uwe I have learnt something new.

The thing that stands out though is the 32lb shell is around 6.5 inches in diameter.The large Mortar on Granado has a caliber of 13 inches so the shell must be pretty heavy??

Regards

Nigel

 

[Uwek]

I was now also more interested in these type of guns and checked the information Peter Goodwin is giving in his Anatomy book about the HMS Granado

The Bomb Vessel GRANADO (Anatomy of the Ship) by Peter Goodwin

Book review - Book Review: "The Bomb Vessel GRANADO (Anatomy of the Ship)" by Peter Goodwin

Book Review: The Bomb Vessel GRANADO (Anatomy of the Ship) by Peter Goodwin Hardcover: 128 pages Publisher: Conway Maritime Press; New edition edition (21 April 2005) Language: English Product Dimensions: 26 x 1.9 x 24.1 cm Synopsis: Built as a floating siege engine able to...

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Here we can find f.e. the weight of these 10 inch and also the bigger 13 inch shells..... unbelievable

10 inch mortar - the shell weight when empty was 92 lb (imperial pounds) plus the shell charge of 4 lb 5oz
-> in total 96 lb wich means appr. 36kg (with 0,373 kg/lb (Troy) or 45 kg (with 0,453 kg/lb)

13 inch mortar - the shell weight when empty was 197 lb (imperial pounds) plus the shell charge of 10 lb 4oz
-> in total 207 lb wich means appr. 77kg (with 0,373 kg/lb (Troy) or 94 kg (with 0,453 kg/lb)

Maybe somebody knows better or can clarify the correct convertion between lb and kg ?!?

Pound (mass) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The firing range with 45° was maximum 4.100 yards - which means 3.750 meters !!!!!


Very interesting to read, especially also the huge preparation works for the firing - very dangerous
















I highly recommend all modelers building the section model or the full hull model to get a copy of this book

 

[GrantTyler]

I was now also more interested in these type of guns and checked the information Peter Goodwin is giving in his Anatomy book about the HMS Granado

The Bomb Vessel GRANADO (Anatomy of the Ship) by Peter Goodwin

Book review - Book Review: "The Bomb Vessel GRANADO (Anatomy of the Ship)" by Peter Goodwin

Book Review: The Bomb Vessel GRANADO (Anatomy of the Ship) by Peter Goodwin Hardcover: 128 pages Publisher: Conway Maritime Press; New edition edition (21 April 2005) Language: English Product Dimensions: 26 x 1.9 x 24.1 cm Synopsis: Built as a floating siege engine able to...

shipsofscale.com

Here we can find f.e. the weight of these 10 inch and also the bigger 13 inch shells..... unbelievable

10 inch mortar - the shell weight when empty was 92 lb (imperial pounds) plus the shell charge of 4 lb 5oz
-> in total 96 lb wich means appr. 36kg (with 0,373 kg/lb (Troy) or 45 kg (with 0,453 kg/lb)

13 inch mortar - the shell weight when empty was 197 lb (imperial pounds) plus the shell charge of 10 lb 4oz
-> in total 207 lb wich means appr. 77kg (with 0,373 kg/lb (Troy) or 94 kg (with 0,453 kg/lb)

Maybe somebody knows better or can clarify the correct convertion between lb and kg ?!?

Pound (mass) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The firing range with 45° was maximum 4.100 yards - which means 3.750 meters !!!!!


Very interesting to read, especially also the huge preparation works for the firing - very dangerous

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I highly recommend all modelers building the section model or the full hull model to get a copy of this book

Brilliant- thanks for posting this.

 

[GrantTyler]

Hallo friends,
first of all many thanks to all your comments and also the likes received
also I would like to wish you all ALL the BEST for 2022

During the christmas holidays I was rarely in the forum, better had not so much time to post any updates of my building log.

Starting with the works on the bomb racks under the mortar

Here the principle structure is shown - three strong base beams with notches for the six pillars
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this three structures are based on the strong stiffening riders

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To compare the height with a figurine, a french supervisor sent to the british shipyard by Jean Boudriot

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Dry fitted mortar room beams - on top of these the mortar will be based

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everything is fitting well - only some smaller adjustments necessary

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starting to assemble the vertical timbers where the doors for the bomb shell room will be fixed

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The side wall timbering fixed

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Many Thanks for your interest

It is so good to look at what can be achieved in this hobby. Excellent

 

[Maarten]

Wonderful work again Uwe. I love the square nails and will store the idea for future work.

 

[NMBROOK]

Uwe this is indeed very interesting. What Goodwin does not mention is how these shells were handled.197lb is a lot of weight to manhandle and the shells all have lifting lugs on them.

I am thinking is that was some form of temporary hoisting system used? This would be an interesting feature to incorporate in a model if the information can be found

Regards

Nigel

 

[Uwek]

Hallo friends,
many thanks for your kind words and likes

I am thinking is that was some form of temporary hoisting system used? This would be an interesting feature to incorporate in a model if the information can be found

Hallo Nigel,
good idea - I will also check this publication by Jean Boudriot describing the armaments in the french Navy and maybe some other books - good idea

Book review - NAVAL ARTILLERY French navy 1650-1850" - NEW ENGLISH VERSION - by Jean Boudriot and Hubert Berti

Book Review: NAVAL ARTILLERY French navy 1650-1850 An Historical and Technical Study Set of 93 plates. NEW ENGLISH VERSION by Jean Boudriot and Hubert Berti Translated by François Fougerat This book in french language was over a long time one of the Basic Books published by ancre...

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or here

Book review - The Bomb Vessel - Shore Bombardment Ships of the Age of Sail" by Chris Ware

Bomb Vessels are in moment one of the topics here in our forum, so therefore I want to introduce a very interesting book about this kind of specialist vessels. The Bomb Vessel - Shore Bombardment Ships of the Age of Sail by Chris Ware Hardcover: 111 pages Publisher: Naval Institute Press...

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[Uwek]

Showing further progress on the HMS Granado kit from CAF

The photos uploaded in post #81 are showing the shell box still dry fitted without treatment of the timber and also without the shell balls

Now step by step the racks are fixed and the timber treated, the shells are blackened and also fixed into the racks.
Also the floor planking was done

 

[Heinrich]

This is looking very good Uwe and your execution is wonderful.

 

[dockattner]

Nice 'nibbling' on the wall. This is a really cool build!

 

[Tobias]

Hello Uwe, very nice work. I like the light wood very much.

 

[pianoforte]

Hallo Uwe, the gnawed impression of the wall works amazingly well, I really like it. Also the overall picture with the racks and the shells looks absolutely coherent, just 1st class. But I know who made it.

 

[Stargazer]

I can only echo what everyone is saying, very nice work Uwe, interesting to see what you find out about the shell hoisting system, might have to incorporate that into my full Granado build!