HMS GRANADO (1742) - midship section - POF by CAF in 1:48 - by Uwe

Due to the fact, that I am in contact with Tom from CAF, I can make here in our forum an anouncement, when I get the info of a re-edition
The more You show about Your progress, the more I'm convinced in getting this kit someday, too. So I would be happy to hear about the next batch.
 
Not much to show..... Started with the deck planking and the necessary treenailing of the planks

a principle photo showing the treenailing
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and here the result on the deck planking - not finally glued and fixed, and the caulking also only painted on one side of the joints

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for the butt joint pattern (in general every 4th plank) I tried to completely follow here the Anatomy book by Goodwin

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the side view where you can see best the sanded waterway plank

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to be continued .....
 
Not much to show..... Started with the deck planking and the necessary treenailing of the planks

a principle photo showing the treenailing
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and here the result on the deck planking - not finally glued and fixed, and the caulking also only painted on one side of the joints

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for the butt joint pattern (in general every 4th plank) I tried to completely follow here the Anatomy book by Goodwin

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the side view where you can see best the sanded waterway plank

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to be continued .....
Hello Uwek, there is something that does not convince me about the planking as a 1643973607234.png
 
Hello Uwek, there is something that does not convince me about the planking as a
What do you mean exactly? What is not convincing you?
The sketch you showed is the shift system originally I think published by Mondfeld and taken over by Lavery.
It is showing a theoretical idea and is simpliefied - f.e. he is showing only one treenail, insteed of two (which would be usually correct) where no butt joint is.
I mentioned "every fourth planks" which is in general the "three butt shift system"
In the evening I will make a photo of the deckplan of the anatomy book showing what I wanted to express with my words in the previous post
 
What do you mean exactly? What is not convincing you?
The sketch you showed is the shift system originally I think published by Mondfeld and taken over by Lavery.
It is showing a theoretical idea and is simpliefied - f.e. he is showing only one treenail, insteed of two (which would be usually correct) where no butt joint is.
I mentioned "every fourth planks" which is in general the "three butt shift system"
In the evening I will make a photo of the deckplan of the anatomy book showing what I wanted to express with my words in the previous post
Hello Uwek, the sequence of the planking as a scheme, is just my opinion, without taking away your patient work you are doing

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Hello Uwek, the sequence of the planking as a scheme, is just my opinion, without taking away your patient work you are doing

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Many Thanks for your interest and your suggestion, but.....

Sorry to say, that I am here not of your opinion.
Especially on a section model, which a very short cut out, you can not define a butt joint system like you showed in your photo - it is too theoretical
First point - the shipwrights started with planking usually from the center axis with the Kings-plank, and not from the waterway
second - the shipwrights used the planks what they had in stock - if possible they used more or less planks of similar lengths, but if not available the length differs by meters - also they used planks of different widths -> it was a pure question of availability of planks
take here a view on the real existing pattern on the individual decks of the Victory - extreme on the Vasa
Third - the Granado is somehow special, because she had not only the normal hatches as interruptions of the planking, but also two much wider mortar pits. Between the mortar pits the had to make long planks without any butt joints - therefore the next planking row needed a butt joint somewhere between the two pits => with this the pattern was starting
with green arrows the first group and with blue arrows the second group of butt joints

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The red lines are showing the area of the section model

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Many Thanks for your interest and your suggestion, but.....

Sorry to say, that I am here not of your opinion.
Especially on a section model, which a very short cut out, you can not define a butt joint system like you showed in your photo - it is too theoretical
First point - the shipwrights started with planking usually from the center axis with the Kings-plank, and not from the waterway
second - the shipwrights used the planks what they had in stock - if possible they used more or less planks of similar lengths, but if not available the length differs by meters - also they used planks of different widths -> it was a pure question of availability of planks
take here a view on the real existing pattern on the individual decks of the Victory - extreme on the Vasa
Third - the Granado is somehow special, because she had not only the normal hatches as interruptions of the planking, but also two much wider mortar pits. Between the mortar pits the had to make long planks without any butt joints - therefore the next planking row needed a butt joint somewhere between the two pits => with this the pattern was starting
with green arrows the first group and with blue arrows the second group of butt joints

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The red lines are showing the area of the section model

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Hello Uwek thank you for answering me and I respect your opinion as I do mine
 
Going further with the planking construction

I fixed / glued the planks together with the waterway on a glass plate - premade also the treenailing (forgot to make the treenails on the waterway)
afterwards the deck element was fixed on top of the beams

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closeup of the treenailing and the caulking

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spirketing up to the gunports was done with 2mm planking - and also the treenailing of waterway was made

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In the Anatomy book a scupper is shon in the area of the mortar - so I took over this information and installed a square brass tube

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still has to be adjusted with the planking and also blackened

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to be continued ....... many thanks for your interest
 
What I forgot yesterday to mention and show.
In the kit the spirketing plank is 1mm thick - I decided, like also our friend @stan167 shown in his log in his post #33
to use also 2mm plank

To produce a 2mm plank I used my turkish thicknesser from Netmak miniature - what a great tool - for such needs much better than the Proxxon

some timber form a kit wooden sheet

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after some runs through the thicknesser

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exactly 2mm all over the length

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this is the small orange box - highly recommended

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Going further with the inner planking of the rails
spirketting plank way installed so the next two rows of planking - but before the sills and lintels have to be installed

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still some smaller sandings are necessary - on this side of the model all sills and lintels will be covered by planking - on the other side more accuracy will be necessary

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treenailing was prepared before - according the later openings for the gun-ports and the oar-ports

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now the locations of the treenails are making more sense......

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The ladder down to the galley

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In the meantime also the frame of the hatch was done - I go here the english way, means the frame is installed on top of the beams and carlings. The frnehc often installed such a frame on top of the deck planking, but we are english

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Both frame and ladder have to be finetuned

And the two cover roofs on top of the mortar pit were prepared

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the covers on top of the pit

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slided sidewards to open the pit

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and lifted away so that the mortar could be prepared for action - step by step the model is getting a bomb vessel (section)

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Many Thanks for your interest
 
OK, so You shaped the deck planks on the model without glueing the previous plank? Hiw did You prevent the previous (several) planks from shifting while working on the next?

Shouldn't there be a treenail on the narrowed end of the plank? Maybe You missed it or are planning on doing it during final installation...

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Drabina w dół do kambuza

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W międzyczasie zrobiono też ramę włazu - jadę tutaj po angielsku, czyli ramę montuje się na belkach i karmelach. Frnehc często montował taką ramę na poszyciu pokładu, ale jesteśmy Anglikami

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Zarówno rama, jak i drabina muszą być dopracowane

I przygotowano dwa dachy przykrywające na dole z zaprawą

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osłony na górze dołu

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przesunięty na boki, aby otworzyć dół

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i podnoszone, by moździerz był przygotowany do działania - krok po kroku model dostaje bombowiec (sekcja)

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Wielkie dzięki za zainteresowanie
Pięknie to wszystko wyglądam.
Pozdrawiam Mirek

It all looks beautiful.
Regards Mirek
 
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OK, so You shaped the deck planks on the model without glueing the previous plank? Hiw did You prevent the previous (several) planks from shifting while working on the next?
I made this small area in principle like I did also at the Le Coureur - unfortunately I did not make any photos here with the Granado, but in the for information some older photo of the lugger

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Shouldn't there be a treenail on the narrowed end of the plank? Maybe You missed it or are planning on doing it during final installation...

Many thanks for this comment - in the meantime I made the treenailing also on the waterway plank vut really forgot the one treenail at the end of the first plank.
I will make it soon - Many Thanks for the supervising and comment


It all looks beautiful.
Regards Mirek
Many Thanks for the positive feedback Mirek
 
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